Remake or Dub?

[lucius1958]

One disc I've recently acquired had presented me with a bit of a puzzle.

It's catalogue #80050, "Coppelia - Entr'acte Waltz", by Armand Vecsey and his Hungarian Orchestra (matrix #950-H); and "Spanish Fandango", by the New York Military Band (1042-F).

Now, these selections were both originally recorded in 1912; but the takes cited are, according to the information I've consulted, from 1917. (The pressing of this particular example, by the way, is from about 1922).

Is it plausible that the Edison company would have summoned the same artists to record the same selections five years later, and use the same matrix number for the remakes; or could they simply have dubbed masters from the original session, and logged them as new 'takes'?

I have read mention of experiments with disc-to-disc dubbing; but there is no definite evidence of such discs being issued in the regular catalogue (that is, of standard Diamond Discs). If anyone has a good copy of the original issue of this disc, perhaps they might compare the two......... unless an unissued take might have been used for the dub, which complicates things...

Anyway, here's my copy:



Any opinions?

-Bill

[maroongem]

Bill,

That particular disc remained in the catalog until the doors closed in 1929 and the letters F & H would have been take numbers. They appear to have been coupled sometime between 5/13 and 8/13.
Coppelia was released on BA Concert series #28181 on 12/13 and would have been a direct recording as opposed to a dub from a DD. It was released even earlier on 4M Amberol (#28015) on 5/12. Recording date was 1911 but month not known.
Spanish Fandango was released on BA #3400 on 2/18 and was a dub from what is listed as a remake, same matrix number. I'd be surprised if frugal Tom would have paid for a later session. My guess is that what you have is a pressing from the original masters but with the later improved condensite surface.

Bill