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Post by neophone on May 29, 2007 2:17:21 GMT -5
Larry, Awe, I got all excited for a minute there! I have what I believe to be a very mature locust tree in my back yard and much younger (twenty-five, thirty years old or so) out front, but They don't have thorns! RATS!!! Yes fibre can wear out to quickly. The record has to be in very good condition to use fibre. Oh I do hear distortions here and there-otherwise I wouldn't be fiddling about. I haven't checked out the thread you mention yet, I'll check it out later today Larry. Regards, J.
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Post by larryh on May 29, 2007 10:39:17 GMT -5
Maybe I am wrong, maybe it was just a thorn tree? I know we have both in the woods here? I will see if I still have that book, I have a tendency to get rid of things.. Speaking of which, two thirds of the records I got yesterday are about good for the trash can. Way to much surface noise or some little defect that causes issues in playing.. Personally I couldn't sell records that way.. Not unless it was something really rare and someone wanted it noise and all.. Trouble with these edisons is you really can't tell till you hear them what your getting. Do some of the records show up in both lousy surface and then with a quite one? I am not that up on the compositions in different number series to know anything about it. I just know when I walked in moms basement to day I played a Late victor piano piece on the brunswick and it did sound refreshingly quiet! The tone wasn't bad either on those late recordings. Makes me wonder what I am doing buying these edisons where it is really pot luck no matter what you spend. I probably got rid of a thousand classical records of all descriptions over the past 10 years.. One guy I gave the rear of a small pickup truck loaded with orthophonic classical albums I had either not quite liked or the albums were starting to get mildew in the storage I had to put them in.. Now I see the price they bring on ebay.. Oh for those complete operas back!
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Post by orthophonic on May 29, 2007 13:35:33 GMT -5
There used to be some thorn trees that grew around one of the high schools areound here and I used to get needles from them. As far as Brunswick go, I have two of them and both have very nice cabinets with excellent finishes. They look more like they are about ten years old rather than being much older than that. However, the one with the ultona reproducer does not play an Edison as well as a Diamond Disc machine although it is not bad and the Panatrope does not give a small Orthophonic a run either. That is just my opinion about my machines and I would presume that a large Panatrope would sound much better. . .
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Post by gramophoneshane on May 29, 2007 13:45:43 GMT -5
Larry, Those two words- "trash can"!! They make me cringe! If you don't want them, and feel you can't sell them, give them to the salvo's etc, so they can make a couple bucks, and they might find their way to someone who won't mind the surface noise and poor performances. It would be a shame to use them as land fill.
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Post by larryh on May 29, 2007 13:51:14 GMT -5
I believe as I have read else where that the comparsion of electrical reproduction to acoustic is nearly mute.. Two different worlds.. I love the orthophonic machines but wouldn't try to compare it to an acoustic edison. The only Panatrope I have personally owned was the small portable ones. The acoustic larger machine is evidently quite rare in these parts. I recall in the very early 60's being in a record store in New Rochelle N.Y. and the looking even then for 78's. I acutally purchased a couple albums from him. I recall one being the Fred Waring Christmas album. Very pretty selections. Anyway in telling the owner about my interest in mechanical sound he told me, ( which was my first exposure even to the name) that at one time he sold Brunswick Panatropes and when they were new he would open the front window and the sound filled the block.. He mentioned that the one he was displaying had a dual horn? From my own experience with records I have found that nearly any early classical album on brunswick electrics can be quite dissapointing in sound. I think that fact was also mentioned in Tin foil to Stereo? These Edisons are still bugging me due to the erratic nature of the surfaces as well as the limited and expensive nature of the records now. I could be tempted to back completely off them again, but when I hear one of the better overall records I am still amazed at the tonal quality. And so far my largest horn is a 150.
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Post by neophone on May 29, 2007 15:07:38 GMT -5
Larry, Your memory is correct. Locust trees, or at least one variety has thorns, I'm just not lucky enough to have that variety around. Regards, J.
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Post by steve on Jun 15, 2007 21:19:35 GMT -5
J,
HMV made more varieties than Victor did on the No 4. HMV does not have the lines and I see you have the very hard to find HMV with the name under the mica, I believe this was the first style. HMV made them with brass front and back, brass front and pot metal back and pot metal front and back. Anthony did an article on all the HMV no 4 varieties, I will look it up if you are interested.
Steve
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Post by neophone on Jun 16, 2007 0:42:01 GMT -5
Steve,
Yes , thanks, I'd be very interested in reading it. They are fantastic Sound-Boxes. I love mine! ;D
Regards, J.
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Post by larryh on Jun 19, 2007 8:18:32 GMT -5
Thought I would update this topic a bit.. when I first made the observation about the tone of the Edison I was fresh at hearing them again for many years.. After many test of diaphragms, I have gradually adapted to the tonal range of the edison again. Edisons do have that fuller more round tones and even though the surface noise in most cases present a very realistic effect of the music. So with time I am finding that the limitations of the overall sound range are less noticeable to me than when I began this. It may be a bit like the surface noise of 78's in general. Friends unused to the records always commented on the sound.. I usually would have hardly noticed it.. I will say that edsion has a much worse issue on that front. I have to set aside some records due to the overpowering surface noise which ruins the effect for me. Sitting in front of the horn or in the next room can be a real treat with a fine record and always impresses. One thing I have noticed is that some black label records are actually very close in surface to the latter ones.. Most however seem worse, but you never know till you hear it..
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Post by orthophonic on Jun 19, 2007 9:48:15 GMT -5
There is a difference in the surface noise from an Edison and it does not seem to record as well as the noise from a Victor record onto a cassette tape. I use a Shure microphone on a stand as close to the horn as I can get it. I reckon that I need to record some more as it has been some time since I have recorded anything. . .
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Post by larryh on Jun 19, 2007 14:31:55 GMT -5
Or you saying your hearing more, or less from the edison on tape?
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Post by steve on Jul 2, 2007 20:11:34 GMT -5
Bill said "I hate to throw a stick in the spokes, but I have to disagree that BAs can't sound better than DDs."
If you have an Amberola 1 or Opera with a good reproducer Blue Amberols can sound outstanding. The earliest and latest blue amberols are the best for sound, even though the later ones are acoustically dubbed from electrically recorded DD's the sound is wonderful. I took a model N and installed a stylus bar with a diamond and the sound that came from the Blue Amberol was amazing.
Blue amberols and DD's have an amazing amount of sound quality.
Steve
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