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Post by leslie on Aug 3, 2014 9:09:33 GMT -5
Any idea what the value of an Amberola 80 (Serial #1109) would be?
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Post by lucius1958 on Aug 4, 2014 0:12:46 GMT -5
Well: the "80" is a fairly rare model, coming as it did toward the end of cylinder phonograph production, and sold mainly to British markets….
That said, the standard response to "what is it worth?" is generally "whatever the buyer is willing to pay"…
Do you have any photos of the machine in question?
BillS
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Post by leslie on Aug 5, 2014 8:21:27 GMT -5
Good Morning Bill-
I don't have any photos, but I can take some and post them later today.
Thanks
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Post by leslie on Aug 6, 2014 10:14:21 GMT -5
Hi, Here is the first photo of the Amberola 80. More to follow. Thanks |
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Post by leslie on Aug 6, 2014 10:16:59 GMT -5
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Post by leslie on Aug 6, 2014 10:19:12 GMT -5
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Post by leslie on Aug 6, 2014 10:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by leslie on Aug 6, 2014 10:30:16 GMT -5
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Post by leslie on Aug 6, 2014 10:33:36 GMT -5
BTW-I have the original wheels, but have taken them off so the machine wouldn't scratch the wood floors.  |
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Post by lucius1958 on Aug 7, 2014 2:05:38 GMT -5
Beautiful condition! Is the finish original or restored?
By the way, a little more info, based on what I have read from George L. Frow:
The Amberola 80 was introduced in 1928, using surplus cabinets from the S-19 Diamond Disc Phonographs (which had been discontinued around August 1927: Frow quotes the remaining stock at about 11,000), and fitted with mechanisms from the Amberola 50 and 75.
I do not know how many of these were built (I don't have Frow's book on the cylinder phonographs), but probably several thousand, of which many seem to have been shipped to the UK and Australasia: whether shipments continued into 1929, again I do not know.
Incidentally, where did you find this machine?
BillS
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Post by leslie on Aug 7, 2014 10:14:35 GMT -5
Hi Bill,
It looks to be in original condition and plays beautifully. I found the machine years ago, at a phonograph auction in Georgia. I also got a Cleopatra phono, 2 Zonophones (1 of which I've sold), a Berliner (also sold), and some other run of the mill Edison and Columbia machines.
Have a great day!
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Post by nefaurora on Aug 18, 2014 22:23:08 GMT -5
A Rare machine indeed! - especially in the U.S. As stated before, The majority of these were shipped overseas. Towards the late 1920's, Edison was overstocked with Sheraton S-19 Diamond Disc cabinets and machines in stock, so these S-19 cabinets were converted to Amberola 80's. They are very rare. They would be very easy to build from a trashed out Amberola 75 and S-19 Diamond Disc machine. It would be a nice project for someone with minimal work. I would think that the drawers are the same as the Amberola 75's drawers. Of course the Amberola 80 Dataplate would be the hardest thing to find..  ) Tony K. |
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Post by nefaurora on Aug 20, 2014 11:08:41 GMT -5
A Note: This post should really be moved since it is in the Cylinder Records Board which is incorrect, seeing as how it belongs on the Cylinder Machines Board. Just a note for future reference.
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Post by wagnerian on Aug 21, 2014 8:31:05 GMT -5
I think the concesus of opinion is that as this is such a rare machine, it is difficult to give a value. One appeared in the catalogue of Chrities auction house in London in 1999 but was withdrawn before sale although it had a "guide price" of £300 to £500 GBP which seems very low to me.
Not much help I'm afraid in gaining an idea of the value of your beautiful machine.
Regards
Tim W-W
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Post by steve on Jun 17, 2015 18:14:47 GMT -5
If you still have your 80 one was on eBay recently, I think it did not meet reserve around $3000 or $3500. They are extremely rare but the demand is not that high. What is the serial number of your reproducer? 1109 does not appear to have the original reproducer, a diamond D, as I have never seen a Diamond D with a black painted top and the extra lead weight is missing. I am the only one I know who has rebuilt a diamond D with the extra lead weight, the sound is not that good which is the reason the lead weight is not attached in many cases. The Diamond D sounds much better with the extra lead weight removed and to attach the extra lead weight the reproducer has to be placed in the carriage first and will not come out of the carriage with the extra lead weight attached. The extra lead weight is nickel plated. All the diamond D reproducers I have seen are nickel plated.
I could be wrong and if so please provide me with serial numbers above 1109 as 1109 is the highest serial number I have seen so far. I believe the serial number started out at 1001 and I do not think much more than 110 of each were made. I have tried to research these for years with very little luck as they are very few and far between. The 60 and the 80 did not share serial numbers as I know of both a 60 and an 80 with the same serial number, 1109.
The Diamond D is seldom seen but was made from 1926 on and is a lot more commonly found than the 60 and 80 combined. The Diamond D appears in the 307,000 to 309,000 range. The Diamond C was made during this time but is very rare, I have only seen 4 Diamond C's compared to around 30 Diamond D's. 309117 is the highest Diamond C I have seen. Some of the very last Diamond D reproducers do not have serial numbers like the one found on Amberola 60 # 1109.
60's and 80's are in New Zealand, but I have not heard of any in Australia. They are also in England, that is where one of the two known oak ones came from. I mostly research reproducers, that is where my knowledge mostly is. I am currently in the process of collecting serial numbers for the 60 and 80 which I started about 5 years ago. So far I have 3 for the 60 and 5 for the 80 with 2 more 60 serial numbers on the way, hopefully.
I appreciate learning, if I am wrong please let me know as it will not be the first time. I am actually happy to find this discussion.
Steve Medved
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