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Post by tony1952 on Sept 15, 2014 21:43:43 GMT -5
Dear Sir,
Recently I was informed that the cylinders with Korean music was recorded at 178~188 rpm around 1917 in Germany.
The replica will be made(?).
If I buy Edison Standard Model B, can I play 178 rpm cylinders? if yes, what is maximum rpm of Model B?
Your comment on this would be appreciated.
Regards.
Tony Jung
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Post by martinola on Sept 16, 2014 23:57:18 GMT -5
Hi Tony. Yes, you should be able to adjust your playback speed well over 188 rpm. Obviously, some of this depends on how much adjustment you have on either side of the so-called optimal speed of 160 rpm. On my model B, I adjusted the governor and speed control screw to be at the middle of adjustment at 160 rpm. This may vary from machine to machine depending on the whims of repairmen over the years. As an experiment, I got out my tachometer and ran my machine up to over 210 rpm. Higher than that speed and I began to get chatter as the weights were starting to brush against the casting. Anyway, I hope this helps. Regards, Martin
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Post by tony1952 on Sept 17, 2014 3:52:44 GMT -5
Dear Martin,
Thanks for your comment. Much helpful.
Regards.
Tony
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Post by refseries on Sept 21, 2014 3:34:07 GMT -5
Dear Tony
I catalogue cylinders but have never heard of German-made Korean language records, and I wonder why they would have made these given the horrors taking place at the time. However if you track them down I would be most interested in details and/or pictures. Good luck with your hunt!
Best regards
Keith
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Post by wagnerian on Sept 21, 2014 6:17:43 GMT -5
Dear Tony,
Like refseries, I was unaware of any company producing cylinders in Germany during the Great War. If you do track any down, please post the details on here.
All the best
Tim W-W
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Post by tony1952 on Sept 24, 2014 3:42:56 GMT -5
Dear Keith and Tim,
Thanks for your concern
These cylinders are not issued for the public.
However, the story is follows :
Around 1910's, Some Korean moved to Russia area due to Japan's pressure. Among them, young people joined to Rissian troops and participated in World War I.
Some of them were captured by German troops and stayed in P.O.W camp. Then German scholars recorded music and language of P.O.W. in 1916 or 1917.
11 cylinders recorded in that time were found in Berlin Ethnographic Museum.(BEM)
Recently Korea Traditional Music Center(Government body: KTMC) got wav files of 11 cylinders and is making those music as CD under cooperation with BEM.
KTMC is contacting with BEM to make the replica of 11 cylinders.
I asked rpm of these cylinders. As you may know, rpm was 160 or less than 160 to save cylinder space at that time. Those cylinders were recorded at 178 and 188 rpm.
Do you have any guess for over 160 rpm recording?
Regards,
Tony
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Post by wagnerian on Sept 24, 2014 9:20:44 GMT -5
Dear Tony,
Thank you for clariying that. It sounds an interesting project to make the replica cylinders - I would certainly like to hear them when they are made.
As others have said, it should be possible to speed up an Edison Standard to play at 178-188rpm but you need to watch that the governor weights do not catch any part of the motor when revolving at that speed.
Regards
Tim W-W
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Post by nefaurora on Sept 25, 2014 20:53:16 GMT -5
Wow... P.O.W. Camp Cylinder recordings in 1916 or 1917 in Korean?!?!?!! Now, That is rare. If you have the .wav files, There are people out there such as "Victrolaguy" who can take your .wav files and dump them back to a Brown wax cylinder. There are other people who can do it as well. The only problem is as you mentioned, They would need to know the exact recording speed because I'm sure that none of them speak Korean, and have no idea what they would be listening to - to correctly, and clearly make the transfer. That is the biggest problem you will have. Your ideal situation is to have someone who is Korean make the transfers. ) Tony K.
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Post by martinola on Sept 28, 2014 12:58:36 GMT -5
Hi Tony.
Once the transfer of the original cylinders is made (hopefully at the proper speed), you can record the new cylinders at just about any speed that you want. If the originals were as fast as 178-188 rpm, then you will have much more room on the new cylinder to make the new recording at the standard 160 rpm. (This is assuming that the originals are the 4 1/4" cylinder and not the 6" dictation type.)
The beauty of the variable speed cylinder player is that if there are any errors in the playback speed, you can adjust the playback speed until it sounds correct. Hopefully that won't be necessary. This sounds like a very interesting project. Please let us know how things are going!
Regards, Martin
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