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Post by maroongem on Nov 11, 2006 11:11:39 GMT -5
BTW, I noticed that the sound box that you have was made by the Jewel Mfg Co. This company was noted for making after market sound boxes and reproducers(for Edison) and are of good quality. I don't know if your soundbox was made for your particular machine or was replaced at some point in it's life. With off brands like yours, there is so little info on them!
Bill
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Post by imtrying on Nov 11, 2006 15:16:02 GMT -5
I could not have made a better choice of discussion groups to join. Now I don't feel so ticked that the registration process at two other BBS forums was so buggy/overly demanding. I really, really lucked out finding this group of people. I wanted to follow up on a suggestion made by neophone last week to provide some images of the motor. I started to do this earlier, but there was a bug on one of the gear wheel thingys and i could not even bear to look after i doused it with goof-off.... i could see it was still clinging there.... by its dead bug legs, it turns out. But i had to build up the courage to poke it with the end of my paintbrush and find out. I've not tried to do any sort of cleaning or greasing of the motor yet. Here she is as she was found:
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Post by maroongem on Nov 11, 2006 22:13:40 GMT -5
I wonder if this was the same (Otto)Heineman of Heineman Phonograph Supply company that started Okeh records? He was from Germany and owned Odeon records over there but came to America to expand.
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Post by neophone on Nov 12, 2006 21:32:25 GMT -5
Bill, I'll bet it is. I've never seen a Plate & Pillar motor with a cast iron frame. Not that I've seen a ton of them! Regards, J.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Nov 12, 2006 22:23:56 GMT -5
I think the sound box is the right one.The one on ebay was also a jewel,and has the same swing over set up as the edison attachments.I dont think you'd get another soundbox on the part were it attaches due to the spring loaded screw.
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Post by neophone on Nov 12, 2006 22:38:17 GMT -5
Angela, Here's a rough guide for you. Although the Plate & Pillar Motor looks very different than the Cast Motor it's basically the same (If you're not breaking it down ;D) as you've seen from the Victor diagrams some parts get a light oil and other get grease. You will hear different opinions regarding lubrication from nearly every collector you talk to! Now I'm a rookie too, so we'll wait see what the other have to say, I'll learn something too I'm sure! Right now I use "3-In-1" or "Marvel Mystery Oil" for the oiling and "Vaseline" petroleum jelly for greasing. (one trick I found works well is a little bit of "Vaseline" in the crank escutcheon seem to help smooth winding.) Basically lightly oil all small bearings, not forgetting the spindle-top & bottom and it's important to put a few drops of oil on the leather pad on the governor's speed control yoke/arm. The Governor is the brain on your phonograph, I guess you could say. Below are two diagrams I made for you with my limited knowledge. Now everyone else-PLEASE pipe-in and correct the mistakes I'm sure I made I hope this helps. Regards, J.
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Post by imtrying on Nov 13, 2006 10:55:26 GMT -5
Oh, man, John..... I seriously love these diagrams you do. Like 'Phonographs for dummies', which is not to say you are a dummy, rather that your diagrams make it very easy for one to get the idea. Off topic here, but of mild interest *maybe*, the originator of the 'fill in the blank for Dummies' books, a Mr. Dan Gookin, is a Coeur d' Alene resident. Often I see his big bad whadyacall them things? oh yes, Hummers.... I see him buzzing around in his Hummer quite often. If you don't have a copy of his first book, DOS for Dummies, I highly recommend it. And, no, I am not his publicity agent or his mother. Just someone who found the book highly entertaining while educational. It is exceedingly difficult to present an audience with the distinctly ungripping subject of using a computers Disk Operating System in a easy to read and light-hearted fashion. However, thats just what he manages to do. In fact, while i did not read the entire book cover to cover, much of it that i did read i read as much for the enjoyment as i did for the information.
Ok, now wheres my percentage? Not here yet? d**n..... back to work at the salt mines.
Back on topic, the motor I am looking at is, in places, quite yucky. By 'quite yucky' I mean, in the areas John indicates for heavy grease a layer.... or should i call them separated clumps.... of age old black sticky grease is observed. (plus dust and hairs and *shiver* possibly bugs) This will need to be cleared away? correct? Or just grease right over it?
-Angela
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Post by maroongem on Nov 13, 2006 13:56:21 GMT -5
Angela,
To be honest, the motor really should be taken down completely and throughly cleaned, the spring(s) removed from the barrel, cleaned and new grease placed in the spring barrels. As you being a neophyte, this is something I wouldn't suggest you do yourself. There are several companies online that will do this for you at a reasonable cost. APSCO in NY and Victor Repair Service in VT are two that come to mind. If you live near NH, I would do it for you for at a reasonable cost. Your bio page has little info as to your whereabouts,, so it's hard to direct you where to go locally.
Bill
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Post by maroongem on Nov 13, 2006 14:01:25 GMT -5
BTW Gramophoneshane, What makes you think that it was a Jewel reproducer on Ebay? All the ones I've owned &/or seen were visibly marked. Just curious..................................
Bill
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Post by neophone on Nov 13, 2006 15:47:50 GMT -5
Angela,
Thank you for the compliments! *BLUSH*
I'm afraid Bill's right if it's all gunked up is should be broken down and cleaned completely.
Regards, J.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Nov 13, 2006 21:46:02 GMT -5
Bill, just the look of it. But now that Im comparing it with mine, its nothing like a jewel. It only takes one needle to start with,and has different diaphram and only 4 screws hold it together.. Thanks for pointing that out Bill.
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Post by Matt Brown on Nov 14, 2006 0:55:45 GMT -5
What about Brown's Antique Phonographs at www.misterphonograph.com ? I heard the owner is a jerky guy, but does decent work.... Matt
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Post by neophone on Nov 14, 2006 2:35:44 GMT -5
What about Brown's Antique Phonographs at www.misterphonograph.com ? I heard the owner is a jerky guy, but does decent work.... Matt Yeah, I think I've heard something about that guy. He used to own a nice H-19 ;D Regards, J.
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Post by maroongem on Nov 14, 2006 7:36:41 GMT -5
Sorry Matt (slaps forehead)
I was remiss in mentioning you! BTW, how did that oxidised DD reproducer work out?
Bill
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Post by Matt Brown on Nov 14, 2006 9:38:08 GMT -5
You mean the Edisonic, right? It sounds GREAT!
Matt
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