Post by poconosteve1 on Mar 2, 2016 16:53:01 GMT -5
I have two verified as 'original' witches hat horns. One is on 1905 Standard A, and other is on a 1911-12 Standard C. The horn on the A is shiny black while the C has a flatter black finish. Were these horns finished in different ways depending on model or year they were made. Just wondering.... Thanks in advance.
Post by poconosteve1 on Feb 24, 2016 6:54:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! I guess Edison did pretty well then since endgate wasn't really needed after the redesign to eliminate it..and shaver never really worked well. I have one on my late A. I'll send some pics of the C once received. Being shipped to me now...lol. Thanks again to all, for providing insight...
Post by poconosteve1 on Feb 23, 2016 6:54:51 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the info. Yes, I was reading the spotters guide as well as other articles at antiquephono.org. Its a great site. Thats where I figured it may have been a C. The model C ICS machine they show there, looks just like the one I purchased. They indicated that the C was only made for New York state? What are your thoughts on that? Due to a suit that Edison was involved in?
I think its really great that you are maintaining a database of these machines. I was corresponding on this forum about a year ago.. and have the late model A Standard with serial #240416 with 3-screw base. I was told manufactured Ocober of 1905.
Thanks again for your assistance and information. These are really great machines that even after 100+ years..provide a lot of enjoyment! Steve
Post by poconosteve1 on Mar 14, 2015 8:06:15 GMT -5
Thanks again Bill for your input! Yes, I try to be really careful with my choice of cylinders to make sure free of mold, scratches, etc. I also clean gently before use with damp towel and then dry. My C reproducer was 'rebuilt' from person I bought unit from..so I assume that is playing at its best?. These machines are a lot of fun to learn about and listen to. The sound of an original, 100+ y.o. recording is truly amazing, even with a little background noise expected. When you think these voices were probably born around the civil war, and are all gone now, you can appreciate the sound even more. I'm sure all members would agree. Thanks again... Steve
Post by poconosteve1 on Mar 12, 2015 19:01:24 GMT -5
Thanks much Bill for the info. I will take a closer look at the shape, that is probably where the problem is. I didn't realize that this was celluloid either. These aren't really recommended for a C reproducer?. Probably best to stick to black wax. They are quite easy to come by it seems. Question: When you hear some background 'scratching' when playing some cylinders..is this an indicator of a more worn cylinder? or was this fairly typical for these early recordings? I have one or two that have almost no background noise..others noisier. Thanks again...
Post by poconosteve1 on Mar 11, 2015 17:33:37 GMT -5
Hi all. I have a black cylinder with metal ring insert on one end. Is this an indestructible? It plays well on my 2 min 1905 standard A....but cylinder doesn't fit on mandral all the way? Overhangs about quarter inch. Is this the way they were designed? And is it safe to play? Song is great! "I'd rather be a lobster than a wise guy"...lol!
Post by poconosteve1 on Feb 22, 2015 16:05:49 GMT -5
Great looking machine Ed! I am new to these machines..but have a machine about the same year as yours. Mine is 1905 (serial S-240416). Mine came with original horn which is the black and brass with 7" bell. I suppose its personal preference. If you're looking for 'originality', there are original horns for sale out there. I do like the all brass reproductions, although have no feel for quality level. I'd be tempted to go for one of those if my machine didn't come with one. More experienced guys on this site may have opinions on original versus repro... Enjoy. Steve
Post by poconosteve1 on Feb 21, 2015 19:58:30 GMT -5
Thank you Martin! Unit is all original, horn, crank, shaver, and I would say, mint case and perfect banner.. These are really great machines. I am amazed out how well they are made. I think this one was maybe wrapped in a blanket and kept in a closet for decades...
Post by poconosteve1 on Feb 21, 2015 8:39:44 GMT -5
Hi Bill. Thanks so much for the very thorough information and pics! My horn looks identical to the one on the left and has the brass bead and crimped end. No patent info on it, but I heard that not all of them had that stamp. BTW, I like your ICS machine in the background. Looks to be in great shape. I almost purchased one on ebay..but missed it Great site, and thanks again for taking time to provide so much info! Steve
Post by poconosteve1 on Feb 20, 2015 8:31:54 GMT -5
Hi All. This has been a terrific site with a lot of knowledge out there. My Standard A (1905), has a 7" dia. horn. Was this the 'basic' horn? It is supposed to be original to the machine. Could these machines be ordered/purchased with different sizes?, and how many different size horns were there during this time for Standards?. I suppose home machines may have had similar options? Thanks in advance! Steve
Wow, I knew about the 5 screw since I have a 5 screw machine Ser.#440973 (April 1907)., but I did not know about the 3 screw. Can we get a pic up here of what the 3 screw bedplate looks like??
I would love to see it.
This is my serial # S-240416 (Oct '05). Two screws in front, one screw in center of rear bedplate. The rear corners only had the gold 'tufts'. One is worn off, but other is there. Front of course has the tufts with screws over them. One is worn there also.
Post by poconosteve1 on Feb 17, 2015 20:07:17 GMT -5
Thanks again George. Thought it unusual when I saw it? On eBay someone has a 3 screw machine and indicated rare or unusual? I figured just a manufacturing change or improvement.... Who knows what the reasons were..