The bedplate finishes on these and other machines were done with a Japan black (asphaltum) finish. This was a tar based lacquer that I don't think water based strippers are going to remove. I have never had the pleasure of stripping this finish but from what I've read, other collectors have sandblasted, used a petroleum based stripper, wire wheels, etc. You will be very pleased with Greg Cline's decals. The link you provided had an extra period after com and wouldn't work. www.Phonodecal.com
Great photo of the motorboard area. The overall condition appears to be very nice. The door pull is a minor thing but they do show up on eBay from time to time should you choose to replace it. I personally wouldn't take anything less than $225.00 for this machine, but it does depend partially on your demographics. As far as the discs, Oh, Holy Night would sell well at Christmas. There is always a feeding frenzy on eBay for Edison cylinders and discs in the weeks leading up to the holidays. The few foxtots listed are more appealing than the rest but not by much as they are earlier than the later recorded electrics. Hope this helps!
You are most welcome! Pricing can be subjective, condition, location, etc. Can you post pix of the motor board/Reproducer area? Also, you say there are Diamond Discs underneath in the drawer. Some of these can get very high prices if they are desirable late electric recordings. Perhaps a list would be in order!
Your B-200 or Queen Anne was one of Edison's early Diamond Disc machines that with the earlier A-200 was made circa 1912-1915. The oak cabinet is a nice feature and if refinished, they did ok. The grille cloth is also a replacement, these machines normally had wood grained horns. The door pull is also not original as they were a cut/pressed glass knob. I would look to Craig'slist if you really want to sell it. Putting these on eBay can work but shipping can be prohibitive.
This machine has 2 buttons, a '10' and a '12'. This is an apparent attempt to accomodate 10" and 12" records. I have never seen a 12" Diamond Disc. Did Edison make any 12" records? Did they also play at 80 rpm?
Edison did in fact offer DD 12" records, these were what were called the long play recordings and were around 40 minutes. The groove was I believe around 400 tpi and you had to have the Long Play Reproducer to play them, plus the extra MS and gearing that coupled with the 10-12 buttons which appeared on machines in the 1925-26 time frame. This also seems to be when the buttons were added to still popular machines as well as the below the motor board speed control which I believe was a cost saver for the company. I'm guessing your turn table felt is orange now rather that the earlier green. Edison's last recordings were also 12" but were shellac needle cut recordings that were played with a steel needle as opposed to his diamond stylus. His very late radio/ phonograph machines (1928-29) such as the C2 and C-4 were made for these shellac electrical recordings. The difference between the 2 was that C-2 could play both DD and lateral cut records electrically and the C-4 was only for the shellac needle-cut recordings.
Pricing as you mentioned can be subjective. It will of course depend on condition/rarity for the large part and of course location. W/o photos it is impossible to give even a ball park figure. They are not overly scarce, but are decent inexpensive machines that Edison marketed starting in 1919.
They show up periodically on Ebay, so you could always do a search there from time to time. They are also known as the Chalet or the Bungalow.
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yes, this is the machine I had a problem with the crank... still really close but I tried to move everything as far to the right as possible and now I just have enough room. it's tighter than I'd like it to be but at least it works and I don't have to use the nasty repro crank. ;D
If you have access to a drill press, you could remove the motor & board and lay it flat on blocks/supports on the press table and re-drill the crank locating pin on the shaft closer to the edge of the cabinet. Then you could re-center the speed control, etc. Just a thought.
As you may have surmised, moisture got under the condensite coating and caused the wood or clay core (depending on mfg. date) to swell. As long as the area is now dry, clear nail polish or even shellac would be ok to seal it. It may still flake over time though.
From what I can see, this is a Combination Type A Fireside, as I can see the 2/4 gear unless the spacer to blank off 2M is there. From this angle I can't tell. Dating later Edison machines is a difficult task as there are no factory records that I'm aware of. If your machine left as an A, it would have come with the Combination Mod.K Reproducer for 2/4M play.
80300-R "I LOVE TO TELL THE STORY,"The Metropolitan Quartet 80300-L "I WILL SING OF MY REDEEMER," The Metropolitan Quartet released 1916. 51233-R "CANNIBELA" The Broadway Dance Orchestra 51233-L "NO, NO, NORA" The Broadway Dance Orchestra rel. late '23 or early '24. 51406-R "BLUE EVENING BLUES" Fry's Million Dollar Pier Orchestra 51406-L "COPENHAGEN" Fry's Million Dollar Pier Orchestra rel. late '24 or early '25. 51228-R "YOU WANTED SOMEONE TO PLAY WITH" Montauk Trio rel. late '23.
You can clean the condensite surface of the record with isopropyl alcohol. Don't use water as these discs had either a clay or wood flour core depending on mfg. date and will swell up from the water if there is any compromise in the condensite coating. I noticed it slowed down shortly after you started the disc. There may be something else going on. BTW, give me the stamped number on the tan colored under-label and I'll give you the info of artist and title.
Your recording (BA 1506) is actually a very nice early 4M direct recording that came from a 4M Amberol (4M-513) master from 1910. As you may have noticed, the wider 2M stylus is skipping across the narrower 4M groove. Unfortunately, this is not one from the Mexican 2M wax series that was carried over to a BA.
If your Mod. A it doesn't have a later Edison attachment for 2/4M play, your machine will be 2M only and a C will be proper for your machine. Depending on the serial number, your machine may have come with an Automatic Reproducer (2 clamps to hold the Reproducer to the carriage eye and a screw on the side of the eye to adjust for tracking and no locating pin for a later Mod. C) Pictures would help greatly. I'll make a WAG and say you should be looking for a C.
EDIT: I just looked back at your earlier posts that I apparently missed, and your particular HOME will need a Mod.C as you were so informed.
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