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Post by maroongem on Feb 7, 2011 18:16:24 GMT -5
This past weekend, I had the good fortune to obtain an Edison Schubert locally, that was on Craigslist. The drive wasn't too bad, only an hr from me and the storm that was predicted that morning fizzled out. The machine originally belonged to her mother-in-law and was later inherited by her now deceased husband There were 8 DDs with the machine, 6 being electrically recorded and the other 2 were late 5100 series. There was also a tone arm and sound box for lateral recordings but unfortunately, it was made of pot metal and had disintegrated. The machine hadn't been used for many years so the motor had to be completely gone through as well as the Reproducer, as it was frozen from old lubrication at the swivel. The cork gaskets, which are typically found in the New Standard (Edisonic) And Dance Reproducers, were fine and the machine now plays fantastic. The new horn design coupled with the Edisonic Reproducer makes for a very loud machine as compared to my C-19 using the same type of Reproducer. The cabinet is very sound with no veneer missing but is very finely alligatored and dull. I don't think Go-Jo will do anything except clean any dirt or old wax and I will have to decide as to whether the cabinet gets refinished or not. The only question I have is the door pulls, they are not what is usually found by pics but are a black bakelite and look ok until I can find original replacements. I have long desired either a Schubert or Beethoven Edisonic machine but they seldom turn up, and never seem to be within driving distance! Does anyone know what the "CLT" before the serial number stands for? The few Schuberts I've seen all had this lettering. I know the Beethoven used "BN" prefacing the serial number which makes sense but this has me stumped. Bill     |
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Post by tarheeltinkerer on Feb 7, 2011 18:22:09 GMT -5
Gorgeous, congrats on an amazing find!
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Post by condensite on Feb 7, 2011 22:39:31 GMT -5
Yes, congratulations on finding this! I have a Schubert also, serial no 4129. I don't know what the CLT stands for. Interesting that the knobs aren't original-mine weren't either, and I found some suitable ones at Home Depot. Reassigning furniture hardware in households must have been quite common in the past, considering how often we seem to come across it in collecting
All the original grillcloths I've seen have a telltale faded "stripe" running vertically in the left second row of openings. It must have come from sunlight leaking through the closed front doors over a long period of time!
I hope a cleanup job on the finish will be satisfying enough. No refinishing job, however well-done, can ever be reversed. I know you'll enjoy your new machine and electric recordings!
Bob
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Post by maroongem on Feb 8, 2011 17:33:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the kudos guys. I do believe the cloth is original as the pattern fits the ones I've seen on late Edison machines and appears to have been affixed at the factory.
Interesting fact about the knobs, Bob. I believe the original ones were small wooden ones with a round raised radius in the top center. I'll check out Home Depot plus some renovator catalogs that I have here that offer all sorts of door pulls and knobs.
As far as the cabinet, I'll clean it up first with some Murphy's oil soap and see what results I get!
Bill
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Post by condensite on Feb 8, 2011 20:29:18 GMT -5
Bill:
I meant to mention in my post that I could see the "stripe" on your grillcloth also. No doubt at all it's original!
I think you're right about the original wood knob design. I did a little research on the internet for the knobs prior to my Home Depot purchase. It's a bit difficult to find the proper small size and design, so until I also find something old the ones I bought will do.
Bob
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Post by Edison Restorer 64 on Feb 13, 2011 10:03:35 GMT -5
WOW looks Great Thanks for the wonderful pictures bill
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Post by bobacker on Feb 16, 2011 22:05:17 GMT -5
Your lucky to find this old Schubert, like you said they seldom turn up. In book I have read it point out to Schubert or Beethoven Edisonic machine Both were made in 1927, I think later they came out with a Schubert Edisonic. I don’t believe many were made due to hardship of selling them, because of radio were taking over record player business.
He had up and down market for his phonograph, RCA had more success, then Edison.
I never hear using Go-Jack to clean up wood, or Murphy soaps. One time I use English scratch remover, but it was to oily look, after I was done. I had better luck using many time Formby’s Furniture Refinisher, to save old stain color, work well with me. But it a lot of work. It help you from not use sandpaper if you are trying to save original stain look.
If too build up then use common sense to use stripper as last resort. only if varnish build up.
Let me know who turn out. send a update picture of it. like to see before & after look.
I just wish had more space in this house of mine.. I too would add more phono. if could.
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Post by marcapra on Feb 28, 2011 23:21:23 GMT -5
Looks like you got a great machine there! I have two Schuberts, but one of them was amputated. Both work well though. I'm still looking for a Beethoven. You are right the origninal knobs are wooden. If you don't have the wood ones, the metal knobs from a Baby Console or a London will do. As for the CLT before the serial number, I am not sure what it means. This is just a guess but the CL could stand for console and the T at the end could stand for Schubert.
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Post by maroongem on Mar 2, 2011 17:38:15 GMT -5
Looks like you got a great machine there! I have two Schuberts, but one of them was amputated. Both work well though. I'm still looking for a Beethoven. You are right the origninal knobs are wooden. If you don't have the wood ones, the metal knobs from a Baby Console or a London will do. As for the CLT before the serial number, I am not sure what it means. This is just a guess but the CL could stand for console and the T at the end could stand for Schubert. Thanks! A member of the TMF was kind enough to offer a good pic of one of his original knobs so I was able to find a very close replacement in a dark bronze. The cabinet is cleaning up nicely and I hope to post some pix soon. |
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Post by bobacker on Oct 5, 2011 15:22:53 GMT -5
Saw your video of your Schubert, it look great and sound good too! I think you made a good decision, when you brought this. I hope get many lucky year out of this.
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Post by larryh on Oct 6, 2011 9:40:36 GMT -5
Its a great machine, would love to find one as well. Your grill material is surely original, the late consoles used a pattern similar only diagonal on some. Its too late since I just saw the thread, but I had trouble with murphys oil soap cleaning a cabinet, the new finish buckled over some of it and I have a feeling the oily surface was the cause. Often I have found with mildly rough finishes that using very fine 400 -600 sandpaper slightly dampened you can carefully sand down the surface to get rid of the high points of the bumps. Afterwards I have both waxed or applied the correct finish over it and with very good results.
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Post by pughphonos on Oct 24, 2013 16:23:00 GMT -5
Hello all, I'm happy to add to this string by announcing that I too now number among the owners of Schubert Edisonics. Mine is serial number 3621. An entirely intact specimen, but with the usual ills of non-pristine machines (alligatored surface; ingrained dirt; nicks and scratches). Bought it from a Chicago metro antique phonograph dealer. Came with no records and no special attachments, but I have all the Edison reproducers to add to it--and have just added the Long Play mechanism. I'm sure this baby will consume more $ in future as it needs furniture restoration.
I look forward to sharing anecdotes in future with fellow owners of the Edisonics.
Ralph
P.S. My grille cloth is original as it has the tell-tale faded stripe from top to bottom.
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Post by marcapra on Nov 29, 2013 3:11:24 GMT -5
I found out what the CLT stands for on a Schubert cabinet. It is short for "Consolette" meaning a small console. Victrola also had a model called the Consolette that was a bit smaller. Later, the Edison co. decided to call it the Schubert in advertising, which goes well with the Beethoven, but there is nothing on a Schubert machine naming it Schubert.
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Post by phonogfp on Nov 29, 2013 22:34:44 GMT -5
That's an excellent explanation for the "CLT" lettering on Schubert data plates. Where did you locate this information?
George P.
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Post by van080 on Nov 1, 2020 15:40:06 GMT -5
Interesting thread and explanation for the CLT on our Schuberts. I bought mine a couple years ago and love it. Not perfect looking but plays well and sounds good. I had to make one adjustment as the reproducer when lowered well it was lowered to far and records would stop. So I had to adjust things below. Not knowing what I was doing I asked about it online and was given good information made the adjustment and now all is fine. Neil
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