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Post by maroongem on Feb 12, 2007 13:21:58 GMT -5
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Post by rocky on Feb 12, 2007 15:07:42 GMT -5
I'm sure the item is legitimate. I have total confidence in this seller. He's made great contributions to our hobby.
Rocky
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Post by gramophoneshane on Feb 12, 2007 22:09:56 GMT -5
I kind of think it legit as well. The purple colour is the same as my disc with a purple star, and I have a couple which have a large red "A" stamped on them, with "made in USA" stamped on the label in the same purple colour.
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Post by maroongem on Feb 13, 2007 0:27:49 GMT -5
Gents,
I never said it wasn't legit but that this record is a "bone." I have a copy of said record w/o the stamp. What I'm trying to relate to you is this is not a rare record. It was released in 1916 and was produced up until the doors closed in 1929.
The red stars only meant that the dealers were not to push these discs as they were considered "losers."
And the "A" will get you 3 gallons of gasoline! ;D
Bill
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Post by gramophoneshane on Feb 13, 2007 3:51:05 GMT -5
Bill, Have you ever heard what the purple stars were for? They're printed upside down, when compared to the red stars. I questioned these on the other board. Some of the other guys had them, but no one really knew the difference,if any, between the red and purple stars. The purple stars are only on one side of the record. I think Dan G. said he thought it had something to do with when the last records were sold off.
No-one seemed to have seen the red A over there, and they seem to think it may have had something to do with Australia.
Can you shed any light on these?
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Post by neophone on Feb 13, 2007 5:16:48 GMT -5
...And the "A" will get you 3 gallons of gasoline! ;D Bill ROFLMAO! Regards, J. ;D |
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Post by maroongem on Feb 13, 2007 11:25:05 GMT -5
...And the "A" will get you 3 gallons of gasoline! ;D Bill ROFLMAO! Regards, J. ;D Heh, we may be going back to these!!!! Bill  |
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Post by maroongem on Feb 13, 2007 11:27:40 GMT -5
Bill, Have you ever heard what the purple stars were for? They're printed upside down, when compared to the red stars. I questioned these on the other board. Some of the other guys had them, but no one really knew the difference,if any, between the red and purple stars. The purple stars are only on one side of the record. I think Dan G. said he thought it had something to do with when the last records were sold off. No-one seemed to have seen the red A over there, and they seem to think it may have had something to do with Australia. Can you shed any light on these? Shane, I haven't seen those over here, perhaps they were put on for the foreign distribution? |
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Post by rocky on Feb 13, 2007 15:47:35 GMT -5
Edison had no right to put red stars on records that I like!  |
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Post by gramophoneshane on Feb 13, 2007 22:48:52 GMT -5
Heres a pic of the purple star, and the red A. The red A label have "made in the USA" in purple ink stamped on some of them, which makes me think they had something to do with the oz issues at sometime. The purple stars seem to have been issued in the US as well though.   |
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Post by maroongem on Feb 14, 2007 13:37:05 GMT -5
Shane, This what I know about why some Edison DDs were marked with the red star. When the white paper labels came out in 1923, they were classified in 3 categories: FLASHES, SPECIALLY SELECTED,and GENERAL GROUP. The last group included all other records selected by the Music Committee. These would be marked by a large red star as a signal to dealers to order with caution except when one turned out to be a big seller. Dealers were protected against over ordering, but these records could not be returned for credit, nor were they allowed to discount them to get rid of them. As far as the red "A", it probably designates Australia, if I had to make an educated guess. That stamp next to it is more than likely a duty stamp meaning that the import duty was paid on that record. (I'm sure that cost was somehow passed on to the buyer!!!!) Many of my white label DDs that just say Edison Record and not Edison Re-creation have MADE IN USA in the matrix box at the bottom, so I don't believe that signifies an import. As you can see, my copy of 50935 also has the red star, but not the reverse, probably because the reverse wasn't the "hit" side, or as Edison labelled them, the "R" side. I hope this clears up some questions. Bill  |
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Post by rocky on Feb 14, 2007 22:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by gramophoneshane on Feb 15, 2007 23:16:36 GMT -5
Then we can pretty safely say the "A" is indeed for Australia. That records certainly travelled some miles- from Orange to Oz, then back to Rochester. I've only got half a dozen or so with a red A on the label, so I'm guessing it was done fairly late in the game. I'll have to check and see what my earlies one is.
BTW Bill, I wonder if the purple star was to distinguish one of the three groups you mentioned, from the others. I notice your purple star is the right way round, like the red stars, but mines upside down. Have you ever noticed any of your red star labels with two points at the top, instead of the usual one(upside down). All my red stars are one point at the top.
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Post by maroongem on Feb 16, 2007 13:20:11 GMT -5
Shane,
I think the purple star you refer to is actually a faded red star.
I don't know if these were done at the factory or at the dealer's, but they were done by hand, as my star DDs are stamped in slightly different locales on the label, and not all in the same position point wise. I don't think the positioning of the star indicated anything special.
Bill
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Post by gramophoneshane on Feb 16, 2007 16:59:17 GMT -5
I was going to ask if they were hand stamped. I sort of thought that might be the answer to an upside down star. I dont think the purple stars are faded red stars though. Its the only purple star Ive got out of quite a few star labels. Its the only one with a star on only one side, unlike the red stars which are on both sides(on all my examples anyway), plus both our 50935-Rs stars seem to be the same colour. Do you have any other titles that have the purple/faded star, and if you do, are they also only "Starred" on one side?
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