ultona
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Post by ultona on Oct 14, 2007 8:16:35 GMT -5
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Post by rocky on Oct 14, 2007 8:49:22 GMT -5
Congratulations, Sean! The machine looks pretty decent. And your dance band DDs will be happy! Rocky
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Post by maroongem on Oct 14, 2007 9:54:49 GMT -5
Excellent deal!!! It would be sweet (and a bonus!) if it has the 12" long play mechanism installed as well. All of the late machines that I've encountered had the button pad installed, but few had the mechanism. I've had different DD machines over the years, but I've always been partial to my C-19. Now Sean, if you don't already have one of these, you need to get yourself a New Standard(Edisonic) or a Dance Reproducer. That baby will really jump with a hot foxtrot and that 250 horn!!
Bill
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Post by ultona on Oct 14, 2007 10:15:56 GMT -5
Thanks Bill,
I'll start looking for a gold Edisonic, I have an NOS antique bronze one, but since the finish won't match, I'll grab a gold one someplace (maybe somebody will have one at the Wayne show for a reasonable price?). I already have a nice lateral adapter in gold and it looks like I might want to locate a cleaner turntable with nice original felt, if I really want it perfect.
The whole situation gave me a little more confidence in the "live auction" ebay experience. I was very leery about putting a really high bid on the machine, thinking that the "Floor Bidders" would actually be just shill bids to see how high the "internet bid" was as it appeared to be the case with some other lots they sold as I watched. Obviously, this wasn't the case! My bid was close to $400 and well, $140 is obviously much less than that! It's great, leaves me a little extra play money now and two other machines I had been considering are now no longer "in the running".
So, with tax and their 20% buyer's premium, the grand total for this baby is $175. I still can't believe it! You never know, too, there could be some nice goodies inside the machine, too, not to mention records. I'll find out more later today when I call the place up to arrange to pick this up.
I can't get over my excitement!
Sean
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Post by Matt Brown on Oct 14, 2007 11:22:32 GMT -5
Excellent buy - good for you! I love my C-19, and despite owning some other DD machines that are "better", my C-19 gets played the most. $175 - can't beat that!
Congrats,
Matt
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Post by neophone on Oct 14, 2007 14:50:57 GMT -5
Sean,
Fantastic find. Congratulations! I'm looking forward to the restoration photos.
Regards, J.
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Post by ultona on Oct 14, 2007 17:12:02 GMT -5
Hey John,
I promise I won't let you down with photos! ;D
I'm hoping to pick it up Tuesday or Wednesday and from there, the photos will flow! ;D
I have no clue just where I'll put this machine yet, it'll probably settle in with the others in my "dining" room until I can start selling the ones I need to get rid of. At least all my recent acquisitions are nice upgrades!
Sean
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Post by gramophoneshane on Oct 15, 2007 0:36:28 GMT -5
Congrats Sean. Its a great example. I've got the oak version, but I'd swap it for a mahogany machine any day. From what I've seen around, the mahogany case's seems to have less problem with veneer lifting for some reason. They are a great machine to own. They look and sound great. Yours should scrub up really well. The gold plating looks pretty good too. Good luck with the goodies!
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Post by ultona on Oct 15, 2007 9:54:53 GMT -5
Shane, Thanks! I think it'll clean up nicely as well. I just spoke with the auction place and I'm going to pick it up Wednesday afternoon. They told me it does work, but somehow (somehow?) it fell onto it's back a few days ago. Apparently the only thing that happened was a small piece of trim in the back came off, which I can re-glue back into place. I hope that's the only problem. They assured me that was all, I guess I'll know when I get there to pick it up! And, I asked, no records come with it. As if I don't have enough DDs already! Sean
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Post by maroongem on Oct 15, 2007 16:06:38 GMT -5
Shane, Thanks! I think it'll clean up nicely as well. I just spoke with the auction place and I'm going to pick it up Wednesday afternoon. They told me it does work, but somehow (somehow?) it fell onto it's back a few days ago. Apparently the only thing that happened was a small piece of trim in the back came off, which I can re-glue back into place. I hope that's the only problem. They assured me that was all, I guess I'll know when I get there to pick it up! And, I asked, no records come with it. As if I don't have enough DDs already! Sean Be sure you use the "hide glue." Bill
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Post by lukewarmwater on Oct 15, 2007 19:07:02 GMT -5
LOL! Bill, I hope you know our friendship is more important to me than glue! Luke W.
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Post by ultona on Oct 18, 2007 7:17:32 GMT -5
Sorry for cross-posting, but I know some of you aren't on the Vic board...here are the C-19 details from last night's pos over there I made:
So, folks....the C-19 is resting comfortably at my house now after a nice drive through the Berkshires and back to NY. No pictures tonight, but I've taken plenty of shots documenting cleanup as usual. The outside has had one pass with gojo and already looks 200% better .
I'll start with the good parts: the machine was in better shape than I was expecting, the usual filth and grime, but I was expecting damage from the "incident" to be worse, two small pieces of trim popped off the back that I can re-glue. There are some paint spatters around it I can remove, but that's about it. Solid cabinet, no loose joints, no lid / hinge damage of any kind and no missing or loose veneer. That made me happy. What made me even happier was being handed a small box labeled "Edison Arm and parts" that I put in the car and didn't really look at until I got home. In the box was one very nice adapter (Union?) that will play laterals and swivel around and sort of down to play verticals. It's clean, clean, clean! Not a crack or break anywhere in the pot metal! There were a few packs of NOS needles in there and tons more in a "shot" glass of sorts that all look new (well, the points I inspected under light did anyway). A couple of nice Edison DD monthly supplements for late 1928, a Christmas flyer, a machine brochure touting the Edison "sound" and another machine catalog. There was one DD with the machine but about 10 storage albums full of 1920s and 1930s 78s, all really nice condition-wise and several rather rare Odeon electrics of Bettendorf et al. Even 5 or 6 blue shellac Columbias. Nice bonus! The diamond on the reproducer was so clean (and original) there wasn't a speck of dirt or dust or grime on it. I almost wonder if they ever used it to play DDs. I tested it on another machine and it sounds better than my rebuilt one (the diaphragm still has a nice "cup" to it that I can see). I'll still replace the gaskets.
The bad news, it has a broken spring! I can't play it!! The good thing is, that's the only bad news. I almost suspect a spring may just be unhooked. I have never seen a broken DD spring, has anyone?
That's all the news there is....at least until tomorrow when I post some photos.
Thanks to everyone for packing / moving tips!
Sean
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Post by maroongem on Oct 18, 2007 7:40:52 GMT -5
Sean.
If the crank turns freely w/o any resistance or a "snapping" noise after a few winds, chances are that the spring is unhooked from the crank arbor. You just need to remove the spring barrel cover afer removing the barrel and carefully bend the end of the spring inward with a pair of needle nose pliers until it hooks over the arbor stud and holds. Once you wind it up, the end of the spring should form around the arbor. All in all a nice grab!!!!!
Bill
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Post by ultona on Oct 18, 2007 7:53:38 GMT -5
Thanks Bill,
That's exactly what I think is wrong, it doesn't "snap" one bit. So, how hard is it to remove all the stuff before getting to the motor itself? I've never taken one of these all the way "apart" before, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. I know it isn't as easy as a Victor motor is to tear down!
Sean
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Post by maroongem on Oct 18, 2007 8:42:29 GMT -5
Sean,
You have to remove the reproducer, the crank and the false work around the motor board (to get to the bed plate bolts) and the biggest pain is removing the pin that holds the lifting lever onto the horn shaft assembly. Once you remove the pin and the lift lever, you should be able to lift the bedplate up and off the horn shaft assembly. From there, removal of the ms barrel assembly is easy.
Bill
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