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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2008 20:06:22 GMT -5
Okay I need help, putting my DD machine back together. Obviously I did, not snap the metal rod. The rod was cut on purpose. I need to know how to put the lift asembly back together. The is a metal ring (washer) however I do not know which side it goes on. The top, or the bottom. Also, I need to get the metal ring with the push spring back on as well. then figure out how to get the horn back on.
Paul
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2008 21:13:04 GMT -5
Okay NOW, I have broken a part. That metal spring, that is a thin pice of metal, with a metal ring and a screw, that fits underneath the lift rod, and press up against the underside of the bedplate.
Why on earth did I mess with this in the frist place. I knew I was going to break something, or screw something up. Which I did. Damnit.
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Post by lukewarmwater on Feb 16, 2008 21:45:15 GMT -5
Easy Thunder! These are just machines and they are repairable. DD phonos are a dime a dozen so that part will be replaced easily. This is how you learn. When you wreck your motorcycle, you either get back on it and ride . . . or never ride again. I broke a perfectly good two-minute cylinder the other day and it took me a couple of days to get over it -- that you can't fix! Luke W.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2008 21:56:59 GMT -5
Thanks luke.
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Post by neophone on Feb 16, 2008 22:02:34 GMT -5
Paul,
Are the photos I took any help? I've send you a few more via private message.
Regards, J.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2008 22:10:04 GMT -5
Thank you J. I found out I did not break the rod, it was cut on purpose. However, I did manage to break the force spring, the goes underneath the lift rod, and press against the bed plate.
I have decided instead of trying to fix this, or put it back together. I am going to send the bed plate, motor, and broken peice to George Valoma, to have him fix it, and to put the liftlever back together. It will cost a bit, but, it will be better for the machine, and my sanity.
Paul
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Post by neophone on Feb 16, 2008 22:20:18 GMT -5
Paul,
That might be best, but don't get worked up about. As Luke said They're just machines. It can be repaired. Possibly the only thing really broken is that little piece of sprung-steel, an easy piece to come by I'm sure.
You tackled a big project for your first. Compared to lubricating a Victor, opening an Edison is much more complicated, don't be too hard on yourself. We've all made mistakes. I completely trashed the finish on my first Victrola! You haven't done anything that's irreversible. And don't forget-you've got all of us behind you!
Regards, J.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2008 22:32:26 GMT -5
Thank you J. I do tend to get frustrated very easily. My Victrola, and my Cylinder machine are eaiser to access the motor, then my DD machine, which is a bit more complicated. Victor was easy. I just had to remove, the crank and six screw to access the motor. I just fliped it over, put some oil on the gears, put it back together and it works fine. The cylinder machine I can just lift the whole bed plate lid unit, and I can access the motor.
BTW: Is it normal for a cylinder machine to make a lot of niose when it's running? Becuse mine does, even though it's oiled and greased.
Paul
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Post by maroongem on Feb 16, 2008 22:55:36 GMT -5
Thank you J. I do tend to get frustrated very easily. My Victrola, and my Cylinder machine are eaiser to access the motor, then my DD machine, which is a bit more complicated. Victor was easy. I just had to remove, the crank and six screw to access the motor. I just fliped it over, put some oil on the gears, put it back together and it works fine. The cylinder machine I can just lift the whole bed plate lid unit, and I can access the motor. BTW: Is it normal for a cylinder machine to make a lot of niose when it's running? Becuse mine does, even though it's oiled and greased. Paul Paul, Noise when running could indicate gear/pinion wear. Look at your pinions (on your governor assembly especially) that mesh with the larger gears and see if it appears "dished" out. If so then you need to replace that gear/pinion. Bill
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Post by lukewarmwater on Feb 16, 2008 23:00:37 GMT -5
Paul, Standards tend to be a bit noisy (as do Gems and Firesides). The reason is that these machines were more compact models and made to be portable. To do this, the feed screw is located behind the mandrel and is driven through a gear train. Gears=noise. The advantage of Homes and Triumphs and similar machines, is that the feed screw is in line with -- and a part of -- the mandrel shaft, all being driven by a leather belt on a pulley at the end of the shaft. This eliminates all noisy gears above the bed plate by confining all gears to the motor below the bed plate. All this being said, are your gears properly lubricated at the pinions (centers) and the teeth; and are they properly aligned? Using a product like Wynn's Friction-Proofing (a heavy, sticky oil) on the teeth of noisy gears helps to quiet them down, too. Apply sparingly. Luke W.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2008 5:46:16 GMT -5
It's not a grinding noise, but more of a whrining noise. All of the gears on my cylinder machine are fine, no ware or dmage, and are well oiled. The govenor seems alright as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2008 6:01:53 GMT -5
The noise I am hering is from the metal rod with the round metal discs that look like tiny weights. As it spins, that is what, is making the noise that, I hear. BTW: Looking at the motor of a phonograph, is like looking at an automobile engine. Neither of which I know what is going on. Paul One last thing, the only machine that is not making any noise, is my Victrola. Go figure?
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Post by lukewarmwater on Feb 17, 2008 9:41:38 GMT -5
Paul, the thing with the weights is the governor . . . it governs the speed of the motor. If you look at it closely you will see that the governor weights are attached to flat strips of spring steel. One end of the weight spring is attached to a fixed collar on the governor shaft. The other end is attached to a collar that has a disc attached to it. That collar is not fixed and can slide on the governor shaft. When you turn the machine on, you are moving a brake pad away from the disc on the sliding collar. The pressure on the gear train caused by the mainspring starts the gears turning. As the mechanism speeds up, centriffugal force causes the governor weights to want to fly outward, but they are restrained by the governor springs. As they fly outward, they pull the sliding collar in on the shaft. As it moves in, it eventually touches the speed control pads (a pair that are adjustable to regulate the speed) and since the pads are keeping the collar from moving in any further, then the weights cannot move out any more and the speed of the mechanism is maxed out or "governed" Don't ever loosen any screws on a governor or it's pinions when there is tension on the mainspring!!! All motors emit some noise -- even Operas aren't completely silent -- so just be sure you have all the turning points in the motor oiled and a wipe of oil on the teeth of all gears. Your whirring sound may be because the felt pads that rub against the sliding governor collar disc have dried out. Put a drop or two of 3-In-1 oil on each pad -- there should be three: one on the brake, and two on the yoke that regulates the speed. Luke W.
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Post by maroongem on Feb 17, 2008 10:37:37 GMT -5
Paul,
If it's just governor whirr, there's nothing to worry about. That is normal for your Standard and is normally masked by the record when played. Don't go looking for monsters under the bed.......................
Bill
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2008 10:48:58 GMT -5
Thanks Bill, and Luke. Now I just need to get the piece of flat steal, the goes around the lift handle, and slides along the bedplate, since mine broke. Must have weakend overtime.
Paul
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