Any comment on this would be appreciated.

[tony1952]

I am studying cylinder record and getting useful information in cylinders.library.ucsb.edu ( UC Santa Barbara)

I doubt on the photo in U.S. Everlasting Cylinders page ( cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/history-everlasting.php )

I think the attached photo should be appeared in this page.

I asked the charger in this website, but no comment so far.

In this regard, I ask your comment on this.

Thanks,

Tony Jung in Korea

[martinola]

Hi Tony.
I'm sure others will know more about the history of Everlasting cylinders than I do, but it looks like the UCSB cylinder box is simply a later version. UCSB's box shows "2 minute" on the label, so I'd guess that it was produced sometime after the introduction of 4 minute records in 1908. The box in your photo doesn't seem to mention a 2 or 4 minute duration, so I'd conclude that it pre-dates 4 minute records. It's likely I'm missing something here, so I'll gladly defer to anybody with any real knowledge.
Best Regards,
Martin

[tony1952]

Thanks for your comment.

There are 2 and 4 minutes in US Everlasting Record made by The US Phonograph Co., Cleveland.

There are also 2 and 4 minutes in Everlating, which has no manufacturer name in box.

Based on the Photo in Youtube(2minuteAlbanyArchive), Everlating is one of Indestructble records, as like Oxford, Columbia.

I think UC Santa Barbara(http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/history-everlasting.php) has wrong photo.

Any comment on this.

Thanks.

[wagnerian]

Dear Tony,

By the end of 1914, US Everlasting as a going concern was moribund and its remaining stock of cylinders were sold at knock-down prices by discount stores. It is these records that were packaged in the boxes that simply state "Everlasting" rather than "US Everlasting". with no manufacturers name on the box. In 1913, Indestructible re-issued some Everlasting titles as their own cylinders until they could start manufacturing their own recordings again, following the split from Columbia in 1912.

I don't think, however, that Everlasting were ever part of the Indestructible company so I'm not sure why an Indestructible record would be originally sold in an Everlasting box but I am prepared to be corrected on this.

The colour scheme of green and black and red and black appear on both 2 minute and four minute boxes I don't know the reason for the colour difference but the UCSB box does seem to be correct.

Hope this helps

Regards

Tim W-W

[refseries]

Dear Tony

Tim is correct. U-S Everlasting were never part of Indestructible - they remained independent from their founding in August 1908 until their failure in 1913. You can see pictures of their various cylinders in the CLPGS Refereence Series No.6 (see www.clpgs.org.uk/reference_series_page.htm ), including one similar to the UCSB entry.

U-S Everlasting cylinders can also be found branded 'Lakeside', on both the cylinder and the box. The Lakeside brand was used by the Montomery Ward mail order company. They also sold Indestructible cylinders in Lakeside boxes, but the brand did not appear on the cylinder.

For further information you can look at 'Indestructible and U-S Everlasting Cylinders, by Kurt Nauck and Allan Sutton, which is well worth reading.

Hope this helps!

Keith

[tony1952]

Dear Tim & Keith,

Thanks very much for your information. I understood.

But still I doubt.

Please look at photo.   The left is Indestructible record box and the right is Everlasting record box.

Why does Everlasting use same mark and words( 575-OVERTURE......  ) with Indestructible ?

However, I will study more...

Thanks. 

[wagnerian]

Dear Tony,

US Everlasting and Indestructible cylinders are not that common in the UK so I haven't seen too many boxes to compare but it does look as though the two boxes in your picture are both Indestrucibles ( a blue two-minute box and a red 4 minute box.
Of the US Everlasting cylinder boxes I have, the two-minute boxes show cylinder No.100 The Armourers Song - Basso and the four-minte box shows No.500 Belle Brandon.

Does this help?

Regards

Tim W-W

[tony1952]

Dear Tim,

Thanks for your comment.

I agree with you. But others think Everlasting is not a part of Indestructible.

However, I am digging on this.

Regards,

From Korea

[wagnerian]

Thinking about this further, I still do not believe US Everlasting was part of Indestructible. I have not seen any evidence to suggest they were anything other than commercial rivals until US Everlasting ceased production of cylinders, then Indestructible took over part of the inventory of unsold US stock and badged them as their own records, although I am happy to be corrected in this.

As far as I can see from your photograph and it is rather small, the two boxes seem to be both Indestructible boxes. After the demise of US Everlasting, the remaining stock was sold in similar boxes by Indestructible and others, which may account for the use of the same cylinder picture on the box. Again, as far as I am aware, there is no eveidence of any formal link between the two companies when they were both going concerns.

Does this help?

Regards

Tim W-W

[tony1952]

Dear Tim,

Thanks again.