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Post by 3victrolas on Jul 11, 2006 13:08:11 GMT -5
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Post by Dan Gilmore on Jul 11, 2006 20:58:42 GMT -5
Blunt end cylinders. Those are the early 2M black wax that were the same exact shape as the brown wax cylinders. Essentially the master recordings were made on brown wax blanks from which the moulds were made. They look like this except the sharp edges are rounded over a bit and the wax is blank:  Dan |
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Post by rocky on Jul 11, 2006 22:20:45 GMT -5
So that's what they're called! They're the cylinders with no printed information to indicate song title and artist. What a pain! I have about two of them. And one of them has a dig at the beginning, so you can't even listen to the announcement.
Rocky
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Post by maroongem on Dec 23, 2006 17:13:50 GMT -5
These particular ones were pre 1902 and came with a record slip inside with all the info. If you don't own or have seen a record slip, I'll post one.
Bill
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Post by gramophoneshane on Dec 23, 2006 17:47:00 GMT -5
Bill, which boxes were these in originally? The ones with the cardboard tube inside, or the "echo all over the world" label with the grey lid and bottom?
I've got "marching through Georgia" by Harlan & Stanley, which I was told was recorded in Feb 1904 on a blunt end. I was told too that the record number was 8606, or was that a later re-recording. I always thought these blunt ends were pre-1902s, before the gold moulded's came in.
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Post by maroongem on Dec 24, 2006 13:22:53 GMT -5
Shane,
I've seen them in both. They originally came wrapped like a mummy in cotton batting with the slip on the side and then wrapped again in a brown tissue paper. The inside of the tube was unlined and you can never get that whole mess back in the tube!!!! By 1904, Edison was using the GM process so you non-titled cylinder was made earlier.
Bill
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Post by steve on Dec 24, 2006 22:05:56 GMT -5
Rocky,
The early gold moulded records have the catalog number on the side so you can tell the title by looking up the catalog number on the early gold moulded records made before 1905, it was sometime in 1904 when the titles were added.
Gold Moulded records were released in Feb 1902, but Edison actually started to make moulded records in the fall of 1900 and by Feb 1901 daily production reached 2000 cylinders. A larger plant was put into operation in March 1901 with a capacity of 20,000 cylinders per day. Each mold could produce between 30 and 60 copies a day. These records were stockpiled for release as Gold Moulded cylinders and for use a pantographing masters which resulted in deeper grooves. This was why the weight of the automatic reproducer was increased. All this information and more is found in The Concert Book.
Steve
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Post by steve on Dec 24, 2006 22:46:14 GMT -5
Shane,
The first Gold Moulded box is the type Bill is telling about with the wrap, the next type has the peg.
I have record 697 which came in the box with the last patent date Sep 11 1900 it is C on the labels in Allen's book and it has the pink top and bottom so it used the earlier style lids, not the blue ones normally found on this one. The record slip looks new and it was NOS I got in 2004 because the record was cracked. There was no cotton but the box and record looks new. This particular box is hard to find, at least it took me 22 years to get one.
I purchased a group of about 50 boxes from 1899 to 1903 so I am lucky to have all the early boxes including some varieties not found in Allen's book. The pre 1899 boxes did not have a label.
If I stand this record up on the side just above the ending grooves is the 697. For many years I did not know the catalog number was on the early ones with no titles. 697 is a very early catalog number and was first released between Jan 1896 and May 1899 on brown wax, from the box I would guess this one was made in 1901.
Steve
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Post by gramophoneshane on Dec 24, 2006 23:56:57 GMT -5
Thanks Steve,
I've never noticed the hand inscribed number on the run-out before, only the raised "patented" & ""edison trademark". That makes things much easier! Ive got about 10 of these, so I can put the numbers on all the lid now..
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Post by steve on Dec 26, 2006 20:53:18 GMT -5
Hi Shane,
I am delighted you are pleased, it makes it so much easier. Even with all our learning there is so much more, this will never be boring, especially with all the nice Edison people such as you and Bill.
Steve
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Post by maroongem on Dec 27, 2006 22:57:06 GMT -5
Hi Shane, I am delighted you are pleased, it makes it so much easier. Even with all our learning there is so much more, this will never be boring, especially with all the nice Edison people such as you and Bill. Steve Steve, you keep that up and my hat won't fit....................... Bill |
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