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Post by neophone on Dec 14, 2006 3:55:48 GMT -5
Gents & Lady,
Is there much, if any, of a difference between the winding key size of the various pre-Orthophonic Victor uprights? Looking at the photos of the machines I'm getting next week it appears to me that the S-19 has a Victor crank and I had noticed right off that the late VV-X is missing one. I'm hoping that one belongs on the X. Also is there a difference in thread size between Edison and Victor? Might I be looking at a stripped key or mount? I certainly hope not.
(Can you tell I'm getting impatient for next week? ;D )
Regards, J.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Dec 15, 2006 2:10:06 GMT -5
I think you will find the edison handle is thinner than the victor. The early victor/hmv also have a "female" threaded handle, were as the edison and latter vic/hmv are "male". It should be pretty easy to find one for the X though. The one on your S-19 looks like the type my L-35 has. Its a thick handle like a victor, but has a stepped narrow thread (if you know what I mean?) Looks like you'll have to swap someone for a gold one though or get yours plated... BTW: Who could blame you for getting impatient! ;D
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Post by neophone on Dec 15, 2006 3:49:08 GMT -5
GS,
You reallly think so? That looks for alll the world like a Victor winding key to me. Like you said it's thicker thann ans Edison.
We shall see Wednesday. ;D
Regards, J.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Dec 15, 2006 11:03:35 GMT -5
Well....I think(?) so. Let us know when you get it. You'll soon know if its an edison handle because the knob will be held on by a screw and will have the little "tyre" washer. I do have a couple late HMV handles with the knob held on by a screw, but I dont know if Victor ever did the same. All the edison DD handles I've seen have had the tyre shaped washer between the handle and knob though, and the screw head is twice the size. I took a photo of my thick edison handle to post, but changed from windows 98 to xp today, and the camera software isnt compatible.
*Steve- do you know anything about these thick DD handles? They must have changed them pretty late in the game, because the other two L-35s I used to have both had the standard handles.
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Post by maroongem on Dec 15, 2006 11:15:44 GMT -5
John,
I have a spare winding key for an S-19. The threaded end is a bit short (small piece broke off) but it will work ok once you thread it in. And the plating isn't bad.................
Bill
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Post by neophone on Dec 16, 2006 4:11:18 GMT -5
Bill,
Thanks, I'll be in touch after I've had a chance to look them over.
Regards, J.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Dec 28, 2006 17:10:59 GMT -5
Hi John, I was just wondering if this was the sort of handle that came with your S-19. I finally got my camera & windows xp working.
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Post by neophone on Dec 29, 2006 3:32:52 GMT -5
Shane, That's it, the curve is slightly different, but that's it. Unfortunately, it's not gold and it's beat. Now the winding key that came with one of the X's ain't kosher. I wonder if it's off a portable, it's so, what would you say, shallow? It's gold-tone and also quite worn, like the S-19's winding key. Regards, J.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Dec 29, 2006 19:02:34 GMT -5
I wish my DD handle was as good as yours! When I bought my L-35, it looked like it had lived in a chook shed for 20 years. It had no grille, veneer lifting everywhere, with hardly any left on the lid. Even the reproducer has nearly no plating left on it. The connection cord was also broken, but it had a good stylus. So I bought it (in a classy antiques "gallery" ) for $40, which over here is unheard of, even for a wreaked portable. That was about 18mths ago, but its like brand new now, and I use it alot. Whats your escutcheon like? Is it basically the same as a normal DD escutcheon, but with a bigger hole? Mine was missing when I got it. That victor handle sure looks like a portable winder to me. I dont think I've seen a handle with such a small winding radius before. Must have been so you didn't grate your knuckles on the table when winding
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Post by neophone on Dec 30, 2006 4:11:30 GMT -5
Shane, The S-19 is missing the escutcheon. One more part I need.... Regards, J.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Dec 30, 2006 5:18:36 GMT -5
d**n, i was hoping for a pic! Has yours got 3 screw holes where it was? I cant remember now what mine had. Seems strange that our machines have similar handles and both lost their escutcheons. Maybe they were a tight fit and loosened the screws quickly. I could check mine, but I cant get to the side very well to unscrew the new one and have a look. I asked Steve about these handles and he says there off fairly late edisons. Other than yours, mines the only other handle like this Ive seen before. At least the escutcheons easy to make, although yours wont be so easy being gold. I was lucky with mine- I found an old car side mirror that had the same size washer and 3 holes the same as the normal escoutheons,as well as the right size hole, on the inside swivel set up for the mirror.
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Post by neophone on Dec 30, 2006 7:35:37 GMT -5
Shane, I've got the S-19, the two VV-X's and the Odd Duck crammed side by side in the parlor, I'll have to check later tonight after work for you. For gold-if I had to I could use a brass washer-drilled out and lacquered until the real thing comes along. (At least I could drill the brass myself. I have a neighbor/friend who's father was a tin-knocker and she has all his tools still-and know how to use 'em ;D )
Regards, J.
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Post by maroongem on Dec 30, 2006 10:07:30 GMT -5
Gents,
All my Edison disc phonos and my Amb A-1 & Amb III have the three hole escutcheons, in different finishes of course, so these are the norm. John, you could try Wyatts' for one as he does have one listed in his older catalogue.
Bill
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Post by neophone on Jan 3, 2007 9:07:38 GMT -5
Shane,
Sorry, I forgot to check, the S-19 does have three holes for the escutheon.
BTW, Thanks Bill Perfect fit! ;D
Regards, J.
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Post by maroongem on Jan 3, 2007 10:21:49 GMT -5
Happy to hear it worked out, John!
Bill
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