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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2007 18:43:43 GMT -5
Why do some sellers on Ebay, list an Edsion DD machine as a Victrola? Do these people not know the difference? That Edison's and Victrola's are not the same machines, and were made by different companies? I know this post seems pointless, but I felt like rambleing, and also wanted to see what other people thought?
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Post by maroongem on Sept 1, 2007 22:17:06 GMT -5
Although "Victrola" was a copyrighted name of the Victor Phonograph Co., it became a generic name for all inside horn talking machines that has extended to this day.
Bill
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Post by gramophoneshane on Sept 1, 2007 22:27:24 GMT -5
Ah, the power of advertising to the masses! I guess it shows what a huge impact Victor had on the american public when they introduced the Victrola, and over the years, made it such a household word, that 100yrs later it's replaced the word phonograph in a lot of peoples minds. I took me a while to get used to calling everything a phonograph, because everywhere else in the world, a disc machine is called by it's proper name- a gramophone. That is except for edisons disc phonographs. I had never even heard the word victrola until a year ago, when I joined the other board, because HMV's were sold instead of Victors in australia, and normal 78 machines are either, portable, table, upright or console gramophones to us, regardless of what catchy brand name they were given. I've only seen one machine listed in australia as a victrola, and that was because it was a cabinet gramophone made by victor- a Victrola. Your more likely to see a listing here for an Edison gramophone, though that very seldom happens. Most people here seem to know which is which, even now days.
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Post by maroongem on Sept 1, 2007 22:38:16 GMT -5
Europe used and still does, the term "Gramophone" to signify a phonograph, which was actually coined by Edison and his machines were thus called. Columbia wsa the "Graphophone" and Victor was the "Victrola." Berliner of Canada called his machines "Gram-o-phones as well. The term "Victrola" is probably more extensively used in the U.S.
Bill
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Post by AZ on Sept 3, 2007 2:54:39 GMT -5
Often a trademarked name becomes so associated with a product that it becomes the standard name for an item, even those of other brands. Examples: Kleenex, Xerox, etc.
To my mother (in her eighties), any windup phonograph is a Victrola. To my grandmother (now departed), any camera was simply a Kodak.
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Post by orthophonic on Sept 7, 2007 9:56:37 GMT -5
Actually the term "gramophone" was by Berliner, not Edison. Edison made the term :phonograph" instead. . . .What AZ says is very true - expecially where I grew up.
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Post by maroongem on Sept 8, 2007 0:49:39 GMT -5
Actually the term "gramophone" was by Berliner, not Edison. Edison made the term :phonograph" instead. . . .What AZ says is very true - expecially where I grew up. the term "Gramophone" to signify a phonograph, which was actually coined by Edison Oops! apparently I wasn't clear in my statement. You are quite right about Berliner, but if you read into my statement, it meant Edison coined the the term "phonograph." Bill
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Post by gramophoneshane on Sept 8, 2007 3:52:17 GMT -5
And the Phonautograph came before them all! ;D I wonder if Edison knew of it's existence, and simply experimented with the idea, because the 2 machines are remarkable alike. Although the phonautograph must have been a lateral recording devise?? Does anyone know?
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Post by maroongem on Sept 9, 2007 0:43:53 GMT -5
The Phonautograph did record sound but was unable to play it back.Scott had the right idea but didn't expand on the theory. I'm sure old Tom was aware of Scott's discovery and extrapolated on same.
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