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Post by neophone on Oct 7, 2007 3:22:45 GMT -5
Brunswick Blunder Is someone sending frantic e-mails tonight? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Regards, J.
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Post by maroongem on Oct 7, 2007 7:24:47 GMT -5
John,
I think that he is an early bluegrass artist and some collectors go crazy for those early 'country' records!!
Bill
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Post by neophone on Oct 7, 2007 8:09:28 GMT -5
Bill,
Crazy is an understatement! ;D
Regards,
J.
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Post by lukewarmwater on Oct 7, 2007 9:38:23 GMT -5
John, I think that he is an early bluegrass artist and some collectors go crazy for those early 'country' records!! Bill No such thing as "Bluegrass" until after Bill Monroe hit the scene in the late 1930's -- and more correctly not until he added Earl Scruggs and Lester Flatt after December 1945 and created the sound that set the picking style model for "Bluegrass" music. When Flatt and Scruggs left Monroe's Bluegrass Boys in early '48, they refused to perform for years at any festival termed a "Bluegrass" festival for fear of incurring the wrath of Monroe who felt the term referenced his music specifically. Eventually "Bluegrass" became a generic term like "Kleenex" (or "phonograph"). The more correct term for early "Bluegrass" would be "rural string band". Anyway, Little Willie Green was a black blues musician from New Orleans, not a string band guy. Luke W. |
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Post by gramophoneshane on Oct 7, 2007 11:11:15 GMT -5
Holy Wow! Im pretty sure I've got that disc sitting in my bedroom! I just hope it's not on the bottom of the pile, sitting on the carpet under my Madrid.
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Post by rocky on Oct 7, 2007 13:35:27 GMT -5
To comment further on Luke's observations, bluegrass is a modern outgrowth of old time southern stringband, often called "old time" or "old timey." Bluegrass can be differentiated into traditional bluegrass, which uses only the following five instruments: guitar, banjo, fiddle, bass, and mandolin, and progressive bluegrass, which is an almost meaningless term that covers everything else. It is common for bluegrass performers to take a traditional stringband tune and revive it in bluegrass format.
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Post by lukewarmwater on Oct 7, 2007 16:09:27 GMT -5
"Old-Time" music, which is the stylistic predecessor of Bluegrass, is typically dance music. Old-Time evolved from banjo-fiddle duets . . . dance tunes that go back to the mid to late 1700's. Old-Time instrumentation is typically open-back banjo (as opposed to the closed-back resonator banjo of bluegrass), guitar, upright bass, and fiddle. It is rare for a mandolin to be used in Old-Time. Bluegrass instrumentation includes the aforementioned resonator style banjo, mandolin, guitar, bass, and fiddle. Monroe made a few recordings and toured briefly with an accordian player as he was developing the sound.
Stylistically, Old-Time and Bluegrass are very different. In Old-Time, the banjo is played with a down-stroke motion, the way the slaves played the African antecedents to the banjo: the akonting and the xalam. Since Earl Scruggs, the predominant style in Bluegrass has been three-finger picking using finger picks. Bill Keith also had a great influence with an even more streamlined chording style than Scruggs. Bluegrass fiddling is also different from Old-Time in the use of jazzy moves like double-stops, etc. in Bluegrass. The Bluegrass sound is jazzier because of the lateness of its development. People clog dance to Bluegrass although it was never meant to be a dance music, but flat-foot and square dance to Old-Time. Don't get Bluegrass and Old-Time confused . . . the two camps do not mix well.
"Newgrass" (progressive Bluegrass), pioneered by groups like the New Grass Revival (where the term derives) allow the use of drums, electric bass, and other electrically amplified/processed instruments. Mention drums, etc. in a group of hardcore Monroe-style Bluegrass "purists" and you will get a very cold reception.
Having said all that, I prefer Old-Time. Play a pretty mean banjo myself. Luke W.
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Post by rocky on Oct 7, 2007 16:54:31 GMT -5
Luke, do you also collect old-time 78's, such as those by Gid Tanner, Georgia Yellow Hammers, Burnett & Rutherford, etc.?
Rocky
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Post by lukewarmwater on Oct 7, 2007 17:22:23 GMT -5
Yup! Also string-band/fiddle BA's and DD's.
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Post by rocky on Oct 7, 2007 18:20:48 GMT -5
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Post by lukewarmwater on Oct 7, 2007 19:09:18 GMT -5
Well . . . maybe, I suppose. I prefer to find my stuff in the wild and only pay a dollar or two. I like the thrill of the hunt. I'm not a cheapskate, but I've been collecting for 40 years and old habits die hard. Gid & the Skillet Lickers are one of my favorite bands, but they sold a lot of records so their stuff is easy to find. With string band records (like blues records) finding them in good condition is the trick. Luke W.
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Post by maroongem on Oct 8, 2007 7:49:27 GMT -5
John, I think that he is an early bluegrass artist and some collectors go crazy for those early 'country' records!! Bill No such thing as "Bluegrass" until after Bill Monroe hit the scene in the late 1930's -- and more correctly not until he added Earl Scruggs and Lester Flatt after December 1945 and created the sound that set the picking style model for "Bluegrass" music. When Flatt and Scruggs left Monroe's Bluegrass Boys in early '48, they refused to perform for years at any festival termed a "Bluegrass" festival for fear of incurring the wrath of Monroe who felt the term referenced his music specifically. Eventually "Bluegrass" became a generic term like "Kleenex" (or "phonograph"). The more correct term for early "Bluegrass" would be "rural string band". Anyway, Little Willie Green was a blues musician from New Orleans, not a string band guy, anyway. Luke W. Oops!! My error. Before using a generic term like 'bluegrass', I should have checked 'Wikipedia', where most of the latter posted info appears to come from. I should have stuck with the word 'country' or 'hillbilly'! BTW, that was issued in the Brunswick "Race" series on 3/28 so one can assume that this was a black artist. Bill |
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Post by lukewarmwater on Oct 8, 2007 9:10:02 GMT -5
No Bill, doesn't come from Wikipedia in my case . . . just right out of my head. I'm former assistant director of the Birthplace of Country Music Alliance based in Bristol, Va.-Tn. which was founded to commemorate the 1927 Bristol Sessions and promote the music of the Southern Appalachians. I know a lot about country music history! I was holding back when I was responding . . . didn't want to bore anyone with minutiae. Luke W.
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Post by maroongem on Oct 8, 2007 11:45:38 GMT -5
Luke, never hold back info!!!! I enjoy much of the early blues and other types of small groups that came out of the south in the late 20s and 30s. Unfortunately, not much of that music made it's way up to "Yankeland" (and I don't mean the baseball team!) so the only sources are Nauck's, Ebay, and other auction sites and as evidenced by the price paid for the one John posted, makes it economically unfeaseable for me. I don't mind paying that or more for a machine, but a grand or more for a record won't happen in this house!!!
I do have a good number of Stoneman & Rondeau on BA that I can post if anyone is interested.
Bill
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Post by lukewarmwater on Oct 8, 2007 11:50:00 GMT -5
Bill -- By all means, post 'em!  I had a great moment a few years ago with Patsy Stoneman (Ernest V.'s daughter). We were standing around the Orthophonic Credenza at the BCMA museum in Bristol listening to a Stoneman recording. She would say, "Oh! There's Uncle Frost! That's daddy right there!" She had tears in her eyes as she listened. Luke W. |
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I had a great moment a few years ago with Patsy Stoneman (Ernest V.'s daughter). We were standing around the Orthophonic Credenza at the BCMA museum in Bristol listening to a Stoneman recording. She would say, "Oh! There's Uncle Frost! That's daddy right there!" She had tears in her eyes as she listened. Luke W.