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Post by matty on Sept 1, 2008 13:37:03 GMT -5
Is it true the Clover label is fairly rare? I think I read it somewhere. Those Duophones aren't all that hard to find, but they seem to be hard to find in playable condition due to the construction of them.
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Post by neophone on Sept 1, 2008 17:53:16 GMT -5
Sean, Thanks-some really great labels there! I've never seen an Excelsior nor that particular GG, Neat! ;D Love the lion biting the record on the Duophone label. I too have a Star-someplace. Some great stuff everybody! Thanks. Regards, J.
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Post by ultona on Sept 2, 2008 6:55:39 GMT -5
Is it true the Clover label is fairly rare? I think I read it somewhere. Those Duophones aren't all that hard to find, but they seem to be hard to find in playable condition due to the construction of them. Well, I'd say Clovers aren't common, at least. I have two of them and they're the only two I've ever run into, they came with a VV-405 I bought myself for my 15th birthday. Rocky, I'll see what I can do for you, the disc isn't in the greatest of shape. Sean
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Post by 3victrolas on Sept 2, 2008 10:14:40 GMT -5
3vics, I bought a stack of early Monarchs (including several pre-dog labels) at an antique shop called Krantz's Antiques on Rte. 5 east of Buffalo (Pembroke perhaps?) in 1970 that all had P.A. Powers stickers just like yours on the backs. Made me smile when I saw yours . . . I was 13 when I found mine . . . memories! I paid a quarter a piece for them which was sky-high for a 78 back then . . . should have been a nickel -- or a dime at the most! John 25 cents?! I know it was 1970, but wouldn't it be nice to find a stash that "cheap" today?
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Post by lukewarmwater on Sept 2, 2008 14:07:51 GMT -5
3vics, I bought a stack of early Monarchs (including several pre-dog labels) at an antique shop called Krantz's Antiques on Rte. 5 east of Buffalo (Pembroke perhaps?) in 1970 that all had P.A. Powers stickers just like yours on the backs. Made me smile when I saw yours . . . I was 13 when I found mine . . . memories! I paid a quarter a piece for them which was sky-high for a 78 back then . . . should have been a nickel -- or a dime at the most! John 25 cents?! I know is was 1970, but wouldn't it be nice to find a stash that "cheap" today? Ray Phillips -- who started collecting in 1937 at age 14 -- told me that the Salvation Army in Los Angeles back in the 1930's-1950's had a basement room with wooden barrels full of cylinder records your choice ten cents per dozen!
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Post by neophone on Sept 2, 2008 23:36:40 GMT -5
Matty, I've never even seen a Clover up for auction on the 'Bay although I've seen photos of the label. Here's a few more odd balls Some of you may have seen these before... elsewhere. Once again nothing very exceptional but interesting nonetheless. (I hope!) Regards, J. P.S. I know Sean already posted his copy but I just had to be a stinker and post mine too!
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Post by ultona on Sept 3, 2008 6:58:10 GMT -5
Hey John,
Yeah, the Climax was a Columbia client pressing. Next time I talk with you, remind me to look it up in ARLIE and you'll have your details!
It's funny you posted that black label Victor "Import" of a Michailova disc. I had photoed a different black label issue of one of hers I was going to post!
I'll put some more of mine up in a day or two.
Sean
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Post by neophone on Sept 3, 2008 8:35:35 GMT -5
Sean,
Post it anyway. ;D The more the merrier!
Was climax a client label in the strict sense or was it their own brand? I've seen other Climax labels that appear much earlier and in design are more similar to standard the standard Columbia black & silver labels.
Regards, J.
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Post by matty on Sept 3, 2008 11:18:44 GMT -5
I always thought it was their own brand- kind of like their budget label. Has anyone got a scan of the 7" Acme label? This scans from the 1902 Sears catalogue, so Columbia was producing them at least since then. I can't say I've ever seen the Acme label before.
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Post by neophone on Sept 3, 2008 11:57:35 GMT -5
Matty.
I think there were two separate runs of the Climax name IIRC. I'll have to try and look it up later today if Sean doesn't fill us in first. I have more faith in his knowledge than I do in my faulty memory. ;D Even though he's fast becoming an old geezer, or at least he thinks so. ;D
Regards, J.
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Post by maroongem on Sept 5, 2008 0:15:20 GMT -5
In the U.S. there were two different "Climax" labels. The first Climax Record (1901-1902) was the forerunner of the Columbia label, and was produced by the Globe Record Company (New York), a subsidiary of the Burt Comapny (Milburn, N.J.) The very first disc had a very plain label (no paper label but had raised lettering) and a brass grommet in the spindle hole. The latter type (Oct.1901) had a black and gold label on the 7" and 10" single sided records. The latter Climax Double Disk Record (c,1909-1916) was manufactured by the Columbia Graphophone Company. It has been suggested that they were sold for a lower price than standard Columbia releases as there was no price on the labels. Their couplings and catalogue numbers (in seperate K- and X- prefixed series) do not correspond to the Columbia releases from which they are derived. All know issues are drawn from domestic as well as imported Columbia masters.
Bill
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Post by phonogfp on Sept 5, 2008 6:52:35 GMT -5
I have an example of this first type that lacks the brass grommet. All the paper-label versions I've seen have had the grommet.
George Paul
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Post by neophone on Sept 5, 2008 13:39:17 GMT -5
Bill, Thank you! I have seen photos of the early paper label, but not the embossed one. GP, could you post a photo? The two I have of the later 'double-disc" variety are both X prefixed IIRC. One is a German march I think. I did a quick search and found this superb page-I'll be looking over the whole site once I finish this post. ;D Columbia Labels, the first one is the second on you were talking about , right Bill? That's the one I'd seen before, but I guess the image was in B&W so I thought it was silver or white printing. I notice the site is missing one label from the teens that I can think of off the top of my head. Regards, J.
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Post by matty on Sept 5, 2008 15:54:23 GMT -5
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Post by phonogfp on Sept 5, 2008 16:16:37 GMT -5
Here's the very first Climax Record style (Globe Record Co.) as manufactured in August 1901: Here's the second style Climax Record retaining the embossed information, but with Columbia's paper label affixed over it as first manufactured in September (?) 1901: Columbia introduced its Disc Graphophones in October, so my presumption is that this paper label was introduced no later than September in order to have some stock on hand. George Paul
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