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Post by coyote on Jan 4, 2009 13:45:37 GMT -5
I've seen a number of (later) DD machines with the 10" and 12" starting selector buttons, but no gear change (short/long) lever. My Baby Console has these buttons, but only a single spring and no gear change. Why is this? Were there plans for 12" standard play DDs? Apropos of nothing, there is a wooden reproducer holder behind the grille, but I'm assuming this was used in shipping for the original repro and not for an "additional" one.
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Post by matty on Jan 4, 2009 16:02:40 GMT -5
I've often wondered about the 10/12 buttons myself. Most consoles I've seen over the years have had them, and every London console (LC38) had them, but none have ever had the gears added. There were plans for a series of 12" disc's back in 1918, and Edison even went as far as advertising a price list on a cover I have. They were in the 92000-96000 range, with 500 disc's per series, and priced from $2.00 to $6.00. Unfortunately, they never appeared. I should image these buttons on a lot of late machines, means there were plans to make 12" records, but I guess things were going down hill fast, so they never eventuated again. Bill might know the real reason behind them being included without the extra gearing? The reproducer holder behind the grille is a shipping device. The unpacking instructions make mention of them. The Long Play reproducer sat on a special metal bracket at the back of the machine above the motor board. I think this was the standard bracket for the extra long play/standard reproducer.
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Post by lukewarmwater on Jan 4, 2009 19:46:42 GMT -5
Matty, The bracket you show was intended for machines that had the LP conversion kit installed. Factory LP's had a different holder that could hold two reproducers. John M
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Post by matty on Jan 4, 2009 19:59:38 GMT -5
Thanks John. I've never seen a long play in "real life", so I wasn't quite sure. I kind of though the one pictured might have been the add on version because of the clamp.
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Post by larryh on Jan 6, 2009 11:01:32 GMT -5
Just as a note, my London Console has no size selectors.
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Post by matty on Jan 6, 2009 13:42:36 GMT -5
Sorry Larry, I should have been clearer and said every LC38 I've seen here in Aust has had them. I didn't mean they were a stock item for every LC38 made. Sorry for the confusion
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Post by maroongem on Jan 6, 2009 17:38:16 GMT -5
I believe Edison machines made after the long play records were introduced in 1926 (in both 10" & 12" format) would have come with the selector, whether the gearing and extra spring were installed or not. This would allow the owner to "upgrade" if they so chose. Larry, the LC-38 debuted in 1922, so yours would be prior to the Long Play's introduction. Shane, I've seen those clamp-on holders, they are pretty neat. An Edisonic or Dance Reproducer fits in as well!!
Bill
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Post by condensite on Jan 7, 2009 14:15:53 GMT -5
I also have the Baby Console with the size selector buttons, but also with the long play conversion, which includes the 2nd spring barrel. The holder for the long play reproducer is fastened to the inner cabinet with wood screws. This conversion kit is mentioned in Frow's Diamond Disc book. I suspect that the clamp-on holder pictured above was offered more to hold an added Edisonic or Dance reproducer. Bob Barnett
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