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Post by 88420sel on Feb 17, 2009 22:44:28 GMT -5
I recently purchased an Edison with number B19010 tag on the back. It is a full size floor model oak cabinet very much like a full size Victrola, but does not have a metal motor plate like other Edisons I am seeing. The motor board is matching oak and the reproducer must have been changed because it is now a Silvertone. Can anybody tell me what I have because I am having trouble finding any references to this model. When I search Model B everything takes me to the cylinder, but mine is the disc. Everything looks like it came the way it is now except probably the Silvertone reproducer of course. What type of reproducer did it have? Thanks, Steve in Texas
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Post by johnm on Feb 18, 2009 8:55:25 GMT -5
Steve, This is a case where a photo would really be helpful! All acoustical Edison Diamond Disc upright models used a cast-iron bedplate. The only upright Edison disc models that did not were the late-1920's electrically amplified Edisons that played 78rpm lateral discs with some models equipped to play Diamond Discs as well. Very early Diamond Disc Phonographs such as the A-80, B-60, and B-80 also had wooden motor boards, but these are all table models, not uprights. Diamond Disc Phonographs could be fitted with an adapter that allowed lateral 78's to be played on them and it could be possible that one of these adapters may have a Silvertone reproducer wrongly fitted to it, but that does not resolve why you have an 'Edison' upright with a wooden motorboard. There is a strong chance you may have a non-Edison machine that someone has nailed an Edison data plate to! If you can post pictures using imageshack.com or photobucket.com, we could clear this matter up for you quickly!
John M
PS, I am abandoning my old 'Luke Warmwater' identity and switching to my very old 'John M' in order to standardize my ID on this and Neo's board.
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Post by 88420sel on Feb 19, 2009 20:07:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. Having trouble uploading pictures, but upon closer inspection I wonder if this could actually be a silvertone phonograph. The size is almost exactly the same as another Silvertone that I currently have, and of course the reproducer is Silvertone. Their is no lid as it fell off on the expressway before I bought it (according to previous long time owner who was moving it). The one thing that is confusing me is the small emblem/tag/needle holder that is engraved and has the words Edison and Pathe on it. This holder looks VERY original to the cabinet as it sits in a cut out just above the motor board. Will try to get pictures uploaded again and post. Thanks, Steve
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Post by johnm on Feb 19, 2009 21:06:52 GMT -5
Aha! Mystery solved! The text on the needle holder refers to the two styli that were stored there: one a ball sapphire for playing hill-and-dale cut records (i.e., Pathe'); and the other a conical diamond stylus to play Edison Diamond Discs. The reproducer swivels on the arm so that the diaphragm faces the operator to play these vertically recorded records. It is likely Silvertone through and through, which was a Sears house brand.
Incidentally, Phonograph Collecting Rule #4: never transport a machine with a lid standing up on the back of a pick up truck with the lid opening in the direction of travel.
Oh yeah, dig around in the old needles and look in the motor compartment and see if you can find the jewelled styli.
John M
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Post by larryh on Feb 21, 2009 11:22:15 GMT -5
I might be wrong but didn't some silvertone machines come with two reproducers? One for pathe and one for standard? Maybe I am confusing this with brunswick early models or something else.
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Post by johnm on Feb 21, 2009 13:00:03 GMT -5
You are likely right about that. I've only had one Silvertone in my possesion and it was a consignment that I sold right out of the back of my trailer at Mooresville three or four years ago (I am infamous in NC for my driving abilities right Wes and Bobby? LOL!) At any rate, because my interests lie elsewhere, I've never paid all that much attention, but now that you bring it up, perhaps someone knows for sure?
John M
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Post by matty on Feb 21, 2009 13:00:34 GMT -5
I don't know about Silvertones, but Cheney's came with two soundboxes.
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