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Post by billcahill on Feb 1, 2010 11:37:23 GMT -5
Hi. Thought I'd show my rare Edison Amberola 3 phonograph in oak case. Someone cut the bottom off long ago.  They lost the front mounting bracket for the bedplate, and, the auto brake. The friend I bought it from about 16 years ago had jury rigged his own support. You wouldn't want to know how..... He played a bad record on it, and, destroyed the needle. Diaphram was badly warped. Up to now, I re built reproducer, including top quality diamond needle from England, put a reprodution auto shutoff on it, replaced some of the missing pins that go in oil holes, cleaned, and, lubed machine, took a jury rig grill cloth off grill, and, now, replaced the missing front bracket. See pictures.     And, finally, showing the original lid decal.  Bill Cahill   |
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Post by maroongem on Feb 1, 2010 14:23:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the pix, Bill. The Amberola III is a great playing/sounding machine with that nice motor the the Edison Co. developed.
If you want to re-case that, you can use a gutted A-150 cabinet and use the supports from yours for the motor pins. The cabinets are the same and the only thing you would need is the 2 stays that were screwed to either side of the shelf on the bottom. These were to hold the 3 cylinder boxes that stood and looked like large books.
I can remove one of the stays on my III and make a tracing for you if you decide to go that route.
I notice your machine has the older Amberola decal as found on the 1-A and B. What is your serial number? Mine is 475 Mod B.
These show up much less than the 1-A, it seems.
Bill
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Post by shellophone on Feb 1, 2010 14:24:45 GMT -5
What is the serial number, Bill?
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Post by billcahill on Feb 1, 2010 16:32:11 GMT -5
Very hard to read. Looks like 480. Here is best pic. I could get.  I'd take the 150 case, but, only if it was in oak. I have been looking for one with no luck. Hold off on the bars for now. You wouldn't want to make a whole new bottom section for me, would you? Bill Cahill |
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Post by maroongem on Feb 2, 2010 10:31:48 GMT -5
Hi Bill,
Where you are getting the serial number from the raised boss behind the knife edge, I assume that the ID plate normally affixed to the inside rear of the cabinet is missing.
LOL! A cabinet maker I'm not. Minor wood repairs sure but that's above my pay grade as they say.
We are having a MAPS affiliate meeting this Sunday and I will ask one of the members if he has any oak A-150 cabinets. His inventory is amazing and he did have an oak III for sale a few yrs ago but I don't know if it was a complete machine.
Bill
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Post by billcahill on Feb 2, 2010 12:34:50 GMT -5
Sorry. I'm legally blind, and, a collector told me the 3 didn't have a serial tag on cabinet. Only on bed plate. Guess he was wrong.
Nope. No cabinet tag either.
So, we have NO idea when it was made, but, it does look like one of the earlier ones to me.
How original does the bracket look to you? It fit the screw hole prints perfectly, and, the bed plate is just right. Of course, I'd also say someone dug a channel on the board.If not, what else is missing? Personally, I think it's wood.
Hope you can find me an oak A-150 case complete. I also need a mahoganny one for my junk A-150 DD machine. Mechanism is o.k., but, case is shot, and, bottom section on that is also missing.
It's also missing the correct crank, reproducer, and, is a mess. But, I got this machine from a dealer friend of mine in Detroit when a teenager, and, would like to resurect this machine.
Does anybody remember Bailey Teeters?
He was a truly great guy. He died of cancer the year after he moved out of Detroit on doctor's orders.
That was many years ago.
That was my dealer friend......
Bill Cahill
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Post by maroongem on Feb 2, 2010 17:08:35 GMT -5
Bill,
It appears that the front brace has been replaced at some point as the metal bracket doesn't fit flush with the top of the wood.
I think if you feel around the center of the rear wall above the motor board, you will feel two holes approx 3 3/4" apart where the ID plate screws were.
It doesn't appear that you are missing anything else from what I can see by the pix you supplied and the wood grain finish inside the horn looks nice which is a rarity due to the method of applying it.
Bill
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Post by billcahill on Feb 2, 2010 18:20:32 GMT -5
Please read my post... I told you I replaced the missing bracket, that the past owner dug out the wood, and, jury rigged pieces of wood, wire, and, plaster of Paris, along with a home made bracket to hold it together. I found the bracket in my parts. It came from an amberola, or, an early DD. Bill Cahill
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Post by billcahill on Feb 2, 2010 18:24:08 GMT -5
It's amazing to me that the paint inside the horn is this mint. I love the machine in spite of it's problems... Thanks. Bill Cahill |
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Post by maroongem on Feb 2, 2010 21:56:51 GMT -5
Please read my post... I told you I replaced the missing bracket, that the past owner dug out the wood, and, jury rigged pieces of wood, wire, and, plaster of Paris, along with a home made bracket to hold it together. I found the bracket in my parts. It came from an amberola, or, an early DD. Bill Cahill I beg your pardon. You asked me in the previous post how it looked, and I told you....................... Bill |
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Post by billcahill on Feb 3, 2010 9:12:07 GMT -5
Apparently, we have a very slight problem here.... I told you I had replaced the missing bracket. I asked how it looked because I was wondering if it looked like it may be the correct original to you.
This is the first Amberola 3 I've ever had.....
Not trying to start an argument with anybody. Just trying to get help on this machine.....
As I said, the last owner is the one who dug the trench to fit his jury rig repairs.
Was there another piece of wood above the bracket originally?
Or, a bracket that covered it?
What does the original look like?
I was thinking of just filling the empty area in with strips of oak wood.
The screw holes in this bracket perfectly match the original screw holes in the wood.
Thanks for your help....
Bill Cahill
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Post by maroongem on Feb 3, 2010 11:35:37 GMT -5
Bill, Here is a picture of the front brace from my Amberola III.  |
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Post by billcahill on Feb 3, 2010 21:38:02 GMT -5
Thanks. Looks like my bracket. Could you possibly remove it, and, let me see closeups of bracket out of cabinet? Are there any spacers between the bracket and, the cabinet?
Seems to look just like mine. Thanks, again.
Bill Cahill
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Post by billcahill on Feb 4, 2010 21:46:56 GMT -5
I think my bracket is even with the top of the wood, just that he had cut some of the wood out for his jury rig.
May I see your bracket more clearly?
Sure looks like mine. Many thanks for your help.
Bill Cahill
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Post by maroongem on Feb 5, 2010 15:34:30 GMT -5
There are no spacers between the brace and the cabinet. I cannot (nor will I) remove the brace, as it is nailed to the front of the cabinet.
The brace has been milled out so the cast iron bracket will fit flush with the top of it.
The brace is 3/4" w x 5/8" h x15 3/4"L.
I'm not sure what other pics you need.
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