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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2008 7:40:18 GMT -5
While wandering through an antique mall, I found an Edsion Concert cylinder. Unfortunetely, it was shattered, when I opened the lid. I would have bought it, if the cylinder was still intact.
I know very few of these cylinders were made. Becuse of their size. Anyone, own a concert cylinder?
Paul
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Post by lukewarmwater2 on Dec 8, 2008 8:33:01 GMT -5
Hi Paul,
I have just two Edison Concert and two Columbia Grand cylinders currently that I play upon my Type AB Graphophone (see my thread on this board titled 'Brought this home from Union' on the 'Other phonographs' page). These large-cylinder machines are expensive to feed! In previous collections I have also had an Edison Concert and Columbia HG and AD Grands. When I was in high school in the early 1970's, I attended an auction in Columbus, Indiana where several dozen 5" cylinders were auctioned a dozen at a time. They were all going to one man at $300/dozen. Mixed in the lots were a couple of dozen pink and black celluloid Lambert 5" cyls in original boxes. I probably had $100 in my pocket which in those days would have bought you three Homes. At a CAPS show in the early 1980's, I finally scored a pink Lambert 5".
How much was just the box you saw at the mall?
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Post by matty on Dec 8, 2008 9:17:12 GMT -5
Ah, so Lambert 5" cylinders do exist! I'd heard of them, but have never known of anyone who actually had one in there hot little hands. Apparently Edison Bell also made them under license from Lambert too.
What a great find.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2008 18:14:47 GMT -5
It was $28.00.
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Post by klinkmi on Dec 8, 2008 22:35:19 GMT -5
What rpm does a Concert Cylinder play at ? I have never heard one play are the recordings comparable to a Gold Moulded or Brown Wax? From what I have read the rpm's are faster producing a clearer much louder tone.
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Post by maroongem on Dec 9, 2008 2:39:24 GMT -5
As far as I know and have seen and heard, the Concerts play at the same speed as standardized Edison 2Ms of 160 RPM. I had a Concert machine 20+ yrs ago with 2 cylinders and that was the speed that it played at.
Bill
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Post by matty on Dec 9, 2008 7:51:00 GMT -5
Yes, the few I've seen & heard were recorded at 160rpm too.
I have seen references to "high speed" recordings on a box somewhere along the line, but I think it might have been on a standard? cylinder box from about the time that Edison bumped up the speed of his records from 120rpm to 160rpm.
Edit: I just had a look & the Standard Columbia boxes say Extra loud-High speed, so the columbia Concert boxes probably say the same??
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Post by lukewarmwater2 on Dec 9, 2008 12:47:50 GMT -5
The 5" cyls were originally intended to be used as masters in the Edison recording lab. Standard-sized cyls were either pantographically or acoustically dubbed from the larger cylinder. I don't believe these were recorded at a standard speed although I'm sure 160 is centerfield in the ballpark. The presence of an external speed adjuster is a good indicator that the recordings meant to be played on that machine were not consistent in speed. The external speed adjuster was phased out with the intro of molded cyls in 1902.
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Post by klinkmi on Dec 9, 2008 21:44:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I was just curious on speed and duration . I could have had about 15 ( as 1.50 ea) about 25 yrs ago but as a 15 year old I didn't have a player and never would have thought they would be so valuable as today.
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Post by Aaron on Jan 4, 2009 18:18:40 GMT -5
on one of the "other" forums i started a thread intitle "5 Inches Cylinder Machines".We went through 4 pages talking about the machines and cylinders. I am sure it could help if you check it out.
Aaron
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Post by Aaron on Jan 4, 2009 18:22:55 GMT -5
Hi Paul, I have just two Edison Concert and two Columbia Grand cylinders currently that I play upon my Type AB Graphophone (see my thread on this board titled 'Brought this home from Union' on the 'Other phonographs' page). These large-cylinder machines are expensive to feed! In previous collections I have also had an Edison Concert and Columbia HG and AD Grands. When I was in high school in the early 1970's, I attended an auction in Columbus, Indiana where several dozen 5" cylinders were auctioned a dozen at a time. They were all going to one man at $300/dozen. Mixed in the lots were a couple of dozen pink and black celluloid Lambert 5" cyls in original boxes. I probably had $100 in my pocket which in those days would have bought you three Homes. At a CAPS show in the early 1980's, I finally scored a pink Lambert 5". How much was just the box you saw at the mall? WOW to see any pink Lambert 5 inch cylinders makes you lucky.I think i have seen 4 in the many different places i have visited or seen online.The last one i saw for sale i think they were asking $800(or maybe 8000). Aaron |
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Post by lukewarmwater on Jan 4, 2009 19:43:25 GMT -5
Aaron,
$800 is more like it! I saw a couple of black ones (which are actually scarcer than the pink) at Union last summer for $850 and $1100 IIRC. I intend to buy one at the Orlando show in a few weeks if I'm lucky.
BTW, I was only 10 when I started collecting, but didn't hit my stride until I was your age. I wish I was 14 again (sort of)! I'm 51 now. I'm glad to see young people in the hobby . . . you all will have our machines relatively soon! John M
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 20:53:06 GMT -5
Pink Lambert's, I have only seen them on Ebay, and they are expensive.
BTW: I did run accross, and Edsion Concert Machine on ebay, but it was too expensive.
Paul
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Post by phonogfp on Jan 4, 2009 21:23:12 GMT -5
Just in case you haven't been checking "The Victrola Forum" (you should!), here's a photo of a 5" pink Lambert. They indeed pop from across a room! George P.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 21:33:37 GMT -5
I am on there, and I am missing this? Sheesh!
BTW: I am jealous, and envious
Thank You for the Photo's George.
Paul
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