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Post by tarheeltinkerer on Mar 27, 2009 19:08:07 GMT -5
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Post by condensite on Mar 27, 2009 21:59:58 GMT -5
Hello!
In my opinion the opening bid for this or any common Edison console model is too high. If this is your first disc machine I would recommend you wait for a model C250 or C19 upright machine, which has the largest horn and more record storage space. They turn up regularly in the eastern seaboard area. I have both types, and the upright, being taller, is easier to operate and wind without stooping, has a double spring (although I think the William and Mary console listed has this too) and takes up less floor space. I like the higher horn placement too. Consoles in general, unless they're rare art cases, usually go begging, even at a much lower starting bid.
Bob B.
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Post by Valecnik on Mar 28, 2009 2:32:03 GMT -5
Hi, The council machines definitely take up more floor space and have less record storage. I also prefer the higher horn placement of an upright diamond disc. However if you like councils, this one is a laboratory model with the same double spring motor and largest size horn as a C250 or C19. All these laboratory model Edisons are workhorses as you probably know. It would probably run fine for years with a little oil.
Regarding the finish, I would definitely not refinish it. I'm sure it would clean up nicely with a little Kotton Klenser.
Cheers, bruce
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Post by larryh on Mar 31, 2009 18:31:23 GMT -5
I saw that machine also and had it been closer I might have considered it. I missed one that was listed at a sale just like it a few weeks ago somewhere within 50 miles of me. That was my first Edison machine, and one which like the rest of them I parted with 40 or more years ago. Its my opinion that contrary to what some feel, the horn placement is a great advantage for edison machines. I know that in corresponding with our friend and reproducer expert, Steven Medved, he mentioned also that the consoles he felt has the best tone. His thoughts were that maybe the increased mass of wood around the horn caused it. That may well be, but in many many hours of listening here I am most displeased with the Chippendale's level of horn which is the highest. It seems that the quality and tone of the sound is increased when you raise your listening position above, not below the Edison horn. I have tried repeatedly to stoop down and then raise slowly in front of the chippendale, it always has a better sound quality above the normal seating range which puts ones head in a near level with the horn. On some machines I think that is fine, such as my brunswick.. But the way the Edison horn sort of swoops up to the front top creates a path that seems to throw the best sound over a listener sitting in front of it. It also takes a bit away from the tendency of an edison to be overwhelming in intensity of sound directly in front also. Now if your listening from a great distance in a large room, or are standing in the room, then its fine. I just find that for sitting and trying to enjoy a record the chippendale can be less than satisfying to me. My S-19 which was in the same location for a while before I got the larger one actually sounded about right sitting in front, but the horn is considerably lower and the consoles are lower yet. That model has the largest horn and I dare say perhaps some of the finest sound when everything is working right.
I would have bought it if I were you.
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