|
|
Post by whittington on Apr 8, 2009 4:06:45 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I picked up 11 cylinders tonight and am new to this hobby. Any help with information about a couple of these or where I can get some info would be greatly appreciated.
My question is this. There were a couple of rolls that I didn't understand the #'s. I guess there were special runs and foreign releases, but I couldn't find anything on these. Here they are:
1. #23376 "Here We Are! Here We Are! ETC." by: F. Wheeler and CHO
2. #26198 "Im Grunewald Ist Holzauktion" by: Manhattan Quar.
The second one has a single "." after the patd and the number "1". If I understand correctly this is the first mold from the first take? Also, I thought that maybe this was one of the royal purple cylinders as it is purple but the numbers don't correspond.
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am trying to decide whether to sell them or not. Thanks for the help!
Jeff
|
|
|
|
Post by maroongem on Apr 8, 2009 4:17:47 GMT -5
Hi Jeff,
You are correct about them being foreign series BAs. The first was from the British series and the second from the German series.
You are correct regarding the dot & number after patd. and these are not part of the Royal Purple Series which ran from 29000-29077.
Bill
|
|
|
|
Post by whittington on Apr 8, 2009 4:56:48 GMT -5
Great info! And thanks for the quick reply. Of course there are many factors when determining value. (ie. condition, original sleeve, etc...) But generally speaking, are these two more valuable then some of the more run of the mill BA's, and if so, which is more desired? I found that the Manhattan Quartet didn't record many records at all. (I think thats correct) Does this help or hurt the value in this case?
Thanks again for the information!!
Jeff
|
|
|
|
Post by maroongem on Apr 8, 2009 18:29:04 GMT -5
Hi Jeff,
Your Frederick Wheeler BA was recorded in England in 1915 and was never released in the States. As for the desirability of that particular cylinder I couldn't say. He recorded over 18 BAs in the States but none are really rare as far as I know.
The Manhattan Quartet is a bit of a mystery as no line up of artists has come to light. It is believed that Arthur Hall was one of the singers though. They recorded 2 BAs in the regular US series, #s 2399 and 2469 and backed a number of recordings in the 28000 Concert Series.
Bill
|
|
|
|
Post by whittington on Apr 9, 2009 15:54:56 GMT -5
Again, great information! I love this forum and wish I had found it long ago.
So the one recorded in England wasn't sold in the US huh? Thats interesting. I enjoy the history behind these as much or more the the very music itself. I try to picture how this roll came to america and all the places it has been until making it to my hands just a few days ago. I will try to see if it has any monetary value sometime down the road.
As for the German cylinder, I researched it for a long time and couldn't come up with much either. For hours I searched forums, phonograph sites, cylinder literature, and did extensive searches on google, yahoo and other browsers. I couldn't come up with any information on it whatsoever except for what you told me. The Manhattan Quartet produced a couple of BA's in the regular series and some in the concert series. But there is nothing about the cylinder I have at all. Im not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing, but either way, I find it more interesting probably than the music that is on it.
Anyway, if you come up with anything else on these cylinders or their values please let me know. And if anyone would like to buy these I am more than happy to consider any offer. Thanks again for your help and I hope maybe someone can find some more info on these elusive cylinders at some point!
Jeff
|
|
|
|
Post by matty on Apr 10, 2009 0:26:05 GMT -5
Your British series cylinder is really quite common here in Australia, and I'd imagine it would be in the UK, New Zealand etc too. I have 2 copies of "Here We Are", & I've seen a few more in my travels.
I didn't know the British series wasn't available in the USA, so being a war song, it might attract some interest with war song collectors in the USA if it were listed on ebay for example, but I'd be surprized if it went for more than about $20.
I'd suspect the same sort of value for the German cylinder too. If it were listed worldwide, you might get lucky & have a couple German collectors battle it out, but then I don't know how common that particular title is over there either.
I've got cylinders from the Australian & French series, and a rare 2 minute blue amberol from the Mexican series, and haven't paid more than $20 for any of them, so I'd expect a German series to be about the same value.
|
|
|
|
Post by maroongem on Apr 10, 2009 5:55:10 GMT -5
Hi Jeff,
Sorry for any confusion, but I should have been more specific regarding your British Series BA. What I meant to convey to you was that this particular cylinder did not have a US counterpart released in BA form, but was issued from a US master (disc matrix 3747). There were other British Series BAs that did have a US counterpart though. For example Billy Murray's There Must Be Little Cupids In The Briny had a US release on BA 2640 and on DD 50248-L, and the British Series number was 23371.
|
|
