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Post by maroongem on Jan 2, 2007 12:15:06 GMT -5
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Post by rocky on Jan 2, 2007 15:44:50 GMT -5
Bill, you did the right thing by contacting the seller. Many sellers are very appreciative of efforts to educate them regarding phono items. I suspect that even the majority of Edison fiends don't know the cut-off serial numbers on BAs for the transition from acoustic to electric. At what number in the 5000's BAs does electric recording begin?
I recently learned that electric recordings on DD start at about 52081 (or is it 52108?). I''m sure that many sellers as well as collectors might assume that everything above 52000 is electric.
Rocky
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Post by maroongem on Jan 3, 2007 10:08:30 GMT -5
Rocky,
DD electrics started with 52089 "HERE I AM I BROKEN HEARTED"(R)/"I'M GONNA SETTLE UP"(L) both sides by J Donald Parker(Jack Parker)
The BAs began dubbing from electrical discs on BA 5400, SOMEDAY YOU'LL SAY "OK" by Vaughn Deleath, Dec 1927. These were still accoustically transferred though. It was in 1928 that they started dubbing electrically from DD masters but I don't know which ones they were. It has been suggested by Allan Sutton that the ones with the high number of "take dots" perhaps as much as 13 or more in clumps of 3 are electrically dubbed.
Bill
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Post by maroongem on Jan 3, 2007 10:10:09 GMT -5
Also, this seller has not got back to me yet, so draw your own conclusions........................  Bill |
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steve
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Post by steve on Jan 4, 2007 23:41:51 GMT -5
Some people think the 5000 series of cylinders were electrically dubbed from Electrically recorded DD's.
With regards to electrically recorded cylinders:
As an example, Blue Amberol 5605 is not "Electric-made" It is an acoustic dub of an electric Diamond Disc. Electrically dubbed Blue Amberols did not begin until 5650 and even after that electrical dubs were sporadic until 5700 after which all dubs were electric.
Here are the electrically recorded DD's:
Finnish: 59305-59306
Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078
60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical matrix.
German: 57025-57034
52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series
80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series
82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series
Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series.
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Post by maroongem on Jan 5, 2007 9:05:57 GMT -5
Some people think the 5000 series of cylinders were electrically dubbed from Electrically recorded DD's. Yes, but as I explained to the seller, this wasn't even recorded from an electrically recorded DD master. One of the theories on discerning the electrically recorded BAs are the high take number "dots" on the rim, usually in clumps of three. In my many years of collecting, the only one I have ever stumbled on is #5716, "Kansas City Kitty" by Billy Murray, and foolishly, I sold it...........*Sigh* Bill |
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Post by gramophoneshane on Jan 5, 2007 12:22:03 GMT -5
Tell me about it Bill- I had a 5700 series cylinder a couple years back, and a "friend" swapped me a couple Billy Murray's for it. If only I knew then what I know now!
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Post by rocky on Jan 5, 2007 18:24:36 GMT -5
Shane, are you sure this person was a "friend"? Friends don't trick their friends into parting with 5700 series Blue Amberols! An Edison hex on your "friend."  Rocky |
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kevan
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Post by kevan on Jan 5, 2007 21:28:59 GMT -5
"Eletrically dubbed blue Amberols did not begin until 5650" Thats the last four number in my phone number and has been for years. Thats just wild. I must have been born to collect BA's
Kevan
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Post by gramophoneshane on Jan 6, 2007 7:34:43 GMT -5
Shane, are you sure this person was a "friend"? Friends don't trick their friends into parting with 5700 series Blue Amberols! An Edison hex on your "friend." Rocky Dont worry- I've already put that hex on him! It's the same guy that, after about two years, talked me into selling my "let us not forget" cylinder. He also got a couple DDs off me too. They weren't electrics, but I now wonder why he wanted them. I've been trying to call him to get up him about the 5700 BA, but there's never any answer, so I'm beginning to think he's past away. I'm hoping not though, cause he's the only guy I know that can get my push-up piano player going again. |
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