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Post by nedt on Nov 2, 2018 17:39:08 GMT -5
I have a suitcase Home machine and the motor has been disassembled, cleaned and oiled, as well as the top works. The spring has not been inspect it but it does seem to run pretty strong and will allow me to play almost two cylinders. The issue I'm having is when I play a cylinder, the speed seems to vary throughout the 2-minute duration. It may be slow for about 30 seconds then speed up for 30 seconds then slow down a little bit, Etc...
I have inspected the governor and no springs or weights are loose and everything seems to be intact with the governor, including the screw on the opposite side of the disc that fastens the springs and weights to the shaft.
Even as I watch with the yolk and governor as the machine runs and the speeds seem to switch up, I do not see anything drastically moving or happening to cause the varying speeds.
Any help on some things I may consider would be appreciated..
Thanks!
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Post by nedt on May 22, 2017 21:12:20 GMT -5
Well, It sounds like you have a serious mainspring problem. If I were you, I'd check Ebay for an Amberola 50 or Amberola 75 parts machine and take the entire Double Spring assembly from that and transplant it into your machine. That's what would be the easiest thing to do. Or, You could disassemble your double mainspring casing, and buy a new mainspring from Ron Sitki, APSCO or Great Lakes Antique Phonograph Co. Tony K. Edison Collector/Restorer After playing with the half nut screw, on a full wind I was able to get a couple of cylinders to play, so now I am thinking it may not be the spring.. But I do need to know what are the proper steps in removing the mandrel? My Mandrel collar set screw was badly stripped so I had to cut it to get it off.. I also noticed one or two bad teeth on the mandrel shaft gear which is causing a slight clanking sound. I just want to take the mandrel off completely to replace these parts. I cannot seem to get it to nudge at all. Thank you..
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Post by nedt on May 18, 2017 16:06:32 GMT -5
Can someone please let me know at what point during the wood refinishing process do you apply the decal. I am using the water transfer decals.
I have stained the case and now I'm wondering do I apply the decal before applying shellac or do I apply shellac first then apply the decal and then more shellac on top? I have tried applying the decal after the shellac and I get a milky background under the decal.
Or does anyone recommend using something other than shellac that might worK better?
Thanks in advance...
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Post by nedt on May 18, 2017 15:58:45 GMT -5
What happens when you do a full wind on an Amberola 50 or Amberola 75 double spring motor is that both mainspring casings move at the same time whether the machine is in winding mode or playing mode. The 2 mainspring casings do not move at the same speed though. The outer right end mainspring casing moves a bit faster than the inner left mainspring casing. ...But as I said, both mainspring cases are moving at the same time. Any more Amberola 50 questions? :0) Tony K. Edison Collector/Restorer Thank you Tony K.. I will post a video shortly, but it only appears that one spring is turning while the motor is running. The spring on the left when facing the machine. Again I will try to post a video shortly
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Post by nedt on May 18, 2017 15:55:04 GMT -5
What happens when you do a full wind on an Amberola 50 or Amberola 75 double spring motor is that both mainspring casings move at the same time whether the machine is in winding mode or playing mode. The 2 mainspring casings do not move at the same speed though. The outer right end mainspring casing moves a bit faster than the inner left mainspring casing. ...But as I said, both mainspring cases are moving at the same time. Any more Amberola 50 questions? :0) Tony K. Edison Collector/Restorer
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Post by nedt on May 13, 2017 6:29:46 GMT -5
Yes, I have tried it all.. will go back over everything again...
Are both spring barrels supposed to turn slowly when the motor is running or only the spring barrel on the left side next to the gears?
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Post by nedt on May 12, 2017 22:46:41 GMT -5
Thank you both.. I did loosen the collar on the mandrel and same thing happens.. actually the tiny set screw on that collar is stripped, so I can't remove it, but I was able to loosen it so that the mandrel as a little play to move..
Are both spring barrels supposed to turn slowly when the motor is running or only the spring barrel on the left side next to the gears?
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Post by nedt on May 8, 2017 19:51:17 GMT -5
I just recently acquired an Amberola 50 with a Diamond C reproducer.. As some other people have stated.. When I lower the reproducer onto the cylinder, the mandrel quickly drags to a stop!! I have lubricated all of the bearing points on the top and bottom of the machine, and I have adjusted the bearings on the governor, feed screw, and one of the gears under the machine to allow the slightest of play. I also lubed and slightly loosened the mandrel collar to give it some slight play. Still, the reproducer hits the record and slows to a stop.
I tried loosening (and tightening) the main screw on the reproducer as well...
I removed the carriage arm assembly with the reproducer inside and installed it on an Amberola 30 and the cylinder played fine on the 30..
Is there anything else that i should check? Could it be that the mainsprings are not giving enough power and maybe they need greasing, replaced? Even after cranking upwards of 30 plus times, it does not seem like the mandrel turns as fast as other amberolas I have had..
Any help would be appreciated..
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Post by nedt on Feb 13, 2017 16:32:40 GMT -5
Hi,
This is a random question but does anyone happen to know if Ron Sitko is still available for repairs? I had some really good work done by him back in November, but I have not been able to reach him for the least several weeks using the phone number that someone gave me here on the board.
Thanks..
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Post by nedt on Nov 10, 2016 9:26:29 GMT -5
ummm, i would say it rotates for 1-2 seconds, not 3-4
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Post by nedt on Nov 8, 2016 21:24:57 GMT -5
George, Just wanted to add another note here.. I took out the mainsprings in a couple of machines to have them sent off to be cleaned and/or replaced. You mentioned this could be a reason that my D machine would only play one cylinder all the way through and then slow to a halt at the start of the second play. I notice that after this happens, If i take the belt off the pulley, the governor will spin pretty fast and strong for several more minutes. Just checking to see if you still feel it may be a spring issue that I am having? Again, the top and bottom works have been cleaned and lubed, and I do get 1 very good play of the cylinder. Thnx
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Post by nedt on Oct 29, 2016 8:15:26 GMT -5
Great thank you George! I know I have seen his contact on one of these threads, but can you please provide it to me so I can look at that option of sending it off.
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Post by nedt on Oct 29, 2016 7:12:14 GMT -5
I have an update somewhat to my original issues of reproducer slowing down and mandrel not spinning unless I give it a tug... though the thread is titled Standard A, this is regarding a Standard D machine that has been converted to 4min...
As mentioned before, I cleaned and oiled the top and bottom motor works..I did not grease the spring..
On a full crank, i can turn the machine on and it will spin and play 1 four minute record in its entirety.
After the record finishes, I turn the machine off, and start it again, it will spin just fine. When I attempt to play the record for the 2nd time, it will play for about 30sec, then it will slow down to a halt. When I lift the reproducer, it will spin normal speed...
Now at this point, everytime I start the machine, I will have to give the mandrel a slight tug for it to start spinning, and then it spins freely (for several more minutes). But I can not get another record to play other than the First full play when it was initially cranked..
This is not normal correct? I should be able to get a few plays from a full crank? One successful 4min play, then cant get another play but motor spins at what seems to be normal speed... Any thoughts on what can be happening here
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Post by nedt on Oct 22, 2016 14:40:29 GMT -5
Ok so I was able to compare my reproducer to other photos of Standard D reproducers online and I definitely do not seem to have the correct one. The best way to describe this is that my reproducer looks just like the Diamond B reproducer (it does not have a model number clearly listed on it), and the carriage is constructed to hold this type of reproducer.. this is not my photo, but it looks like this... www.antiquephono.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/b20.jpgWhen I look online at other standard D machines, I see reproducers that look more like C's, and the carriage has a full circle where the reproducer sits (whereas mine has the opening in the front for the tip of the reproducer to stick out) Were any D machines made to use this type of reproducer, or is it clear that the previous owner switched this out? This would mean that I need a new carriage arm and reproducer in order for my Standard D to work properly??
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Post by nedt on Oct 22, 2016 11:00:25 GMT -5
Will get some photos together shortly.. I can not post photos in this forum correct?
I did get the link that you sent for the other forum George, thanks.
I have not switched anything out on this D, as I just received it, but possibly the person that owned this machine before me did. But I will get some photos up to hopefully get to the bottom of this.
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