Post by timohovenkamp on Aug 30, 2013 3:05:13 GMT -5
I think its time i lubricate my Edison Standard model A. I bought it 8 or 9 months ago, and it still runs well, but i think it can run better. I dont know how many times i must lubricate an Edison standard. I think it depends on how frequently i play the machine.
What are the parts that i must lubricate and How must i do that? And How can i gain acces to the engine under the bedplate?
I dont know much technichal details, so i could use some help.
You don't want the machine dripping with oil but regular lubrication will keep it running smoothly. basically you need to oil all 'metal to metal' bearings. These include both ends of the mandrel shaft and feedscrew, and the intermediate gear shaft. Also run a little oil along the feedscrew itself. You will need to take off the gear and feedscrew covers with a small screwdriver.
Oil all bearings in the motor, including the winding ratchet. Also drip a little oil on the shaft of the regulator and on the little felt pads on the Y 'yoke' which maintain the speed of the regulator. For oiling motors I use a nail polish bottle which has been cleaned and filled with oil - the little brush inside is perfect for phonographs. You may need to raid your wife/girlfriend/daughters' make up cupboard to get one!
Sometimes the gear on the end of the regulator shaft can be noisy, and it helps to put a little Vaseline or silicon grease on this. Just smear a little on wioth your finger, run the machine, and wipe off the excess.
The spring grease can dry up, which can make it 'crash' when playing. This can be cured completely by taking the spring barrel out of the machine, removing the spring, cleaning it and regreasing, but this is quite a heavy job and it is worth looking at other approaches first. I have found that if you pack the spring barrel with some fresh lithium grease while it is still in the machine this works its way into the spring and smooths things out without starting a dockyard job.
This all sounds like a lengthy business but only takes half an hour, after which your machine will run merrily for another year or so. Good luck
Post by timohovenkamp on Aug 30, 2013 8:15:11 GMT -5
I have oiled the feedscrew, the gear shaft and other parts above the bedplate. I don't think i am going to work with the spring, i think that's too difficult for me. The spring is still good, and the machine runs very well.
Now i understand how i must lubricate my Edison standard, thank you very much!
Timo, you should also lubricate the bearings and the regulator/governor under the bed plate like Keith described. In order to get under the bed plate you first need to remove the crank, which is simply screwed on. Just turn it counter-clockwise until it comes off. Then you can simply lift the bed plate and work on the motor.
I JUST BOUGHT A MODEL D, IT PLAYS A COMPLETE RECORD FINE-- BUT WHEN WINDING IT THE SPRING GOES KA THUMP, BUT SEEMS TO KEEP PLAYING OK, WHERE DO I FIND HOW TO LUB THE SPRING, THANK YOU--201907
Your best bet is to look up the "Tips, Tricks, and Tutorials" section on the Talking Machine Forum (TMF).
The "thump" is the result of old, hardened grease. What you really should do is remove the spring, clean it, and replace it with new grease; but if you're reluctant to tackle a mainspring (they can be a bit intimidating to work with), there are professionals to whom you can send the spring barrel, who will do the process for you, at a reasonable cost.
Just remember to let the spring RUN DOWN COMPLETELY before you start disassembling the motor. While waiting for the spring to come back, you could also give the motor a good cleaning, and lubricate the bearings & gears with sewing machine oil.
THANK YOU BILL--S, IVE WOUND POCKET WATCH SPRING'S IN BY HAND BUT THIS IS A WHOLE NUTHER THING, I MIXED SOME GRAFITE POWDER AND CHAIN SAW BAR OIL AND MADE A THIN PASTE, CLEANED SPRING AND CASE,RUBBED THE PASTE OVER SPRING AND CASE, HANDS WERE TIRED WHEN THE SPRING WAS BACK IN, WOW WHAT A DIFFERENCE, WHILE IN THERE I SLOW'D IT OWN A BIT,TWEAKED THE GOVERNOR, NOW SOUNDS LIKE A MAN SINGING AND TALKING, AMAZING MACHINE, AFTER ALL THE YEARS IT SAT AROUND WAITING FOR ME TO FIND IT, ITS BEEN REWARDING ME WITH HOURS OF FUN, NOW I'M INTO THIS NEW TO ME HOBBY, HOW WOULD I FIND THE AGE OF THIS EDISON, IT CAME WITH THREE HORNS, A SMALL ONE WITH BLACK BODY AND BRASS BELL,---ONE MORNING GLORY BIG BLACK ONE---AND A ALL BRASS LONG ONE,AND THE BRASS ONE I THINK MAKES THE SOUND BETTER, MY WIFE WANTS ME TO SHINE THE ALL BRASS ONE BUT AS I TOLD HER THAT WOULD ERACE THE HUNDRED YEARS OF EVERY ONE THAT TOUCHED IT, I LIKE TO THINK OF ITS LIFE HAVING GIVEN PLEASURE TO MANY FOLKS THAT TOOK THE TIME TO ENJOY IT.I KNOW I DO,IT CAME WITH 75 CYLINDERS,JUST ONE HAS SOME MOLD, AND NOT THAT BAD, SHOULD I NOT USE THE MOLDY ONE, FOR FEAR OF IT GETTING ON TH OTHER RECORDS, IS THERE A WAY TO CLEAN THAT ONE,AND HOW WOULD I CLEAN THE OTHERS, I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS LITTLE BEAUTY AS BEST I CAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, GREG---201907
Post by lucius1958 on Apr 13, 2020 22:38:42 GMT -5
There is some difference of opinion as to the best grease to use for mainsprings: I find white lithium grease to be a good replacement.
The "D" machines were introduced in 1908, and continued up to 1910-1912, depending on the model (Triumph, Home, Standard, Gem).
As for the brass horn: again, there are two schools of thought. One is to leave the patina alone, in the interest of history; the other is to polish everything up to "new" condition. Unless a horn is suffering from corrosion, it's fine to keep it as is.
Moldy cylinders can be cleaned with a little alcohol, gently applied. The best way to prevent mold is to keep cylinders in a dry, controlled environment.
Hope you enjoy your machine for many years to come!
Last Edit: Apr 13, 2020 22:39:31 GMT -5 by lucius1958