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Post by neophone on Jul 17, 2007 23:58:33 GMT -5
Folks, In the interest of hearing from everyone I have posted this question on the Vic board as well. A fellow on the Phonoland board (who has endeared himself to me already.  ) has made the following statement: I think he's wrong. What do you folks think? Regards, J. |
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Post by henry on Jul 18, 2007 18:32:51 GMT -5
While I'm not gonna rush right over to the XI and play my favorite Armstrong or Caruso 50x to test the assertion, I have my doubts. I betcha that most, if not all of my 78s, which of course were obtained used, already had lots of plays on them, probably quite a few with worn needles by those who didn't know or care to use a fresh one every time. The assertion may hold true if the sound box is in bad (unrestored) shape, w/ or w/o fresh needle play. There are too many variables to make such a blanket assertion as that, IMO.
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Post by neophone on Jul 18, 2007 18:54:13 GMT -5
Henry, That's a big part of why I disagree with this fellow's statement. If a shellac record were only good for fifty plays on an acoustic phonograph, well then I think they would be rather rare today! At least the good stuff. Everything we have today is used and some not to gently. Wear occurs, no doubt, but I don't think our beloved Victrolas are that brutal to our records! Regards, J. |
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Post by maroongem on Jul 19, 2007 8:14:07 GMT -5
John,
As well you know, the general consensus on the other board was that the statement by that individual was a whole lot of hooey.
Of course, you have one particular individual there that is going to go off on tangents and argue with you till he's blue in the face that this statement is correct. My suggestion is to give up. What you said about front horn horn machines being more destructive is 100% in my opinion.
This could go on ad infinitum due to so many variables, and more likely than not, you're not going to convince the author of that statement on Phonoland, but simply put, that is rubbish!
Bill
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Post by gramophoneshane on Jul 19, 2007 9:37:59 GMT -5
As for acoustic records, I don't think I've worn out one yet! A few do show signs of wear, but only those with exceptionally loud passages.
I've got heaps of 1940s/50s records I've played for many years, that don't show any visual signs of wear yet. Most are played on machines with a No.4 soundbox, with medium or soft tone needles. The only ones that have really deteriorated from constant playing have been those I use on the 202 re-entrant. The old 5a is pretty harsh on electrical recordings.
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Post by henry on Jul 19, 2007 14:29:37 GMT -5
Bill,
Mmm, now just WHO could "that particular individual" be?? I wonder, I wonder.... That's one reason why I rarely post on OTVMMB anymore.
Henry
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Post by neophone on Jul 20, 2007 0:22:09 GMT -5
Bill, Mmm, now just WHO could "that particular individual" be?? I wonder, I wonder.... That's one reason why I rarely post on OTVMMB anymore. Henry Henry, I'm not tellin'! Bill, Yes I get the impression I'm beating my head against the wall. Now he's on about Orthophonic tapers.  I'm asking about the pre-Ortho Taper with the slight angle to the Sound-Box. You know what I mean, right? He sailed right over it. Regards, J. P.S. I can't help myself  I had to give it one more shot! |
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Post by ultona on Jul 20, 2007 7:55:34 GMT -5
Bill, Mmm, now just WHO could "that particular individual" be?? I wonder, I wonder.... That's one reason why I rarely post on OTVMMB anymore. Henry Henry, I'm not tellin'! Bill, Yes I get the impression I'm beating my head against the wall. Now he's on about Orthophonic tapers. I'm asking about the pre-Ortho Taper with the slight angle to the Sound-Box. You know what I mean, right? He sailed right over it. Regards, J. P.S. I can't help myself I had to give it one more shot! John, Tsk-tsk....don't you know by now that the above poster knows everything about everything? I might have a slightly arrogant side, but... Sean |
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Post by maroongem on Jul 20, 2007 8:53:04 GMT -5
Ah!
Just whom I expected making that statement on Phonoland.
Just for the short time that I've been there, I gather he is another "know-it-all".
Bill
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Post by neophone on Jul 21, 2007 3:47:31 GMT -5
Well, I gave it one last shot......... with pictures yet!   I noticed that I have three different designs of the "narrow" Taper-Tube. It's obvious that there was something going on here-the off-set and angle were changed, whether it was for tracking improvement or not and whether it works, I don't know. Sean, I think I got you-know-who on this one. Bill, this fellow on Phonoland has quite frankly, cheesed me off! ;D The Columbia crap was bad enough, but ......... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Regards, J. |
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Post by gramophoneshane on Jul 21, 2007 23:17:30 GMT -5
John- have you checked out the link the poster on phonland provides with every post? There's some pretty crazy stuff on his web pages! It's a real insight into the kind of guy he is.
Very Scarry!
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Post by neophone on Jul 22, 2007 4:31:36 GMT -5
Shane, I had briefly looked at it once before. I did a few random clicks after reading your post-yes the fellow is stark raving mad me thinks!  He's a bit full of himself-Improving on explaining the theory of relativity? Crackers! As I will be very soon!!!!!  And you'll all know who to blame! Regards, J. |
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Post by gramophoneshane on Jul 22, 2007 4:57:12 GMT -5
LOL! Poor John!! I had the feeling you'd be wrong ;D BTW: Did you do the other guy's "little pole"? I'm glad it's anonymous  but it was fun in an evil sort of way. I only wish I could leave some "just as crazy" comments for his theories on UFOs, religion and government conspiracies. I wonder what he'd make of my theory, that Mary was abducted by aliens, artificially inseminated and returned to earth pregnant, and the "star" the 3 wise men followed was infact an alien space craft on there way to observe the birth  |
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Post by lukewarmwater on Jul 22, 2007 10:25:20 GMT -5
LOL! Poor John!! I had the feeling you'd be wrong ;D \] I wonder what he'd make of my theory, that Mary was abducted by aliens, artificially inseminated and returned to earth pregnant, and the "star" the 3 wise men followed was infact an alien space craft on there way to observe the birth Sounds as equally plausible as any other explanation I've heard. Perhaps we finally got super-conductor and microwave technology, etc. perfected and integrated, and sent OURSELVES back in time to genetically alter muck or monkeys or something, thereby creating ourselves. All religion is an opinion. Luke W |
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I'm asking about the pre-Ortho Taper with the slight angle to the Sound-Box. You know what I mean, right? He sailed right over it. 
but it was fun in an evil sort of way. I only wish I could leave some "just as crazy" comments for his theories on UFOs, religion and government conspiracies. 
