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Post by rocky on Aug 11, 2007 19:29:42 GMT -5
Early this evening I brought the Amberola out onto the back porch and played cylinders for about two hours. The sound was incredible and loud! I never realized to what degree the wall to wall carpeting in the parlor muffles sound. I was really impressed with that little Edison machine today! And I had a great time! Hmmm! It's unfortunate that the C-250 is too heavy to move outside! Neighborhood, meet the Atlantic Dance Orchestra. ;D  Rocky |
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Post by maroongem on Aug 11, 2007 21:56:25 GMT -5
Those little 30s gave a lot of bang for the buck. We've brought ours out on the porch too and played it for a couple of hours.
Never did find out what the neighbors thought!!
Bill
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Post by rocky on Aug 11, 2007 23:21:16 GMT -5
Bill, nice change of pace to listen to music outdoors! I suspect that your neighbors enjoyed your music....unless they're young kids who only appreciate rap. There were no neighbors in the back this afternoon, so no one heard my music except myself. I must say.....concrete sure is a better conductor of sound than carpeting! And "Red Wing" was so loud that I bet you heard me playing it all the way up there in Nashua!  Rocky |
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Post by ultona on Aug 14, 2007 11:12:08 GMT -5
Aren't 30s great!?
I can't wait to get my Triumph D-2 all ready to roll, cygnet horn and all. Just ordered the bushing to replace, I have no idea what kind of job that is, but I'll find out in a couple of days!
Anyway, on a similar note, last night I was playing my two new Victors (I and II) on the front porch, it was the perfect night for it, but with a twist. The people that bought the house across the street from me to "flip" were over there tearing down the old front porch. They couldn't figure out what was going on on my side of the street, I'd put a record on wind up the machine and come inside the house to listen so they couldn't see me!
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Post by steve on Dec 2, 2007 18:16:50 GMT -5
See if you can get the bushing nickel plated. The bushing is easy on the standard, hard on the home and harder on the triumph. The standard can be broken out, the others have to be drilled. The D-2 is a hard one to find, what reproducer do you have on it and what horn?
Steve
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Post by ultona on Dec 3, 2007 9:01:41 GMT -5
Hey Steve,
It has a diamond B. The bushing is just brass, I got it from Ron Sitko and the machine was dropped off last weekend to the guy with the "patience" to remove the bushing. I gave up on it! As of now, I have no cygnet horn for it yet, at this point I'm trying to decide on a metal original (I've located a very clean original 10 panel horn for $300) or a Don Gfell repro oak horn, the jury (and my accountant) are still out on this one!
Sean
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Post by lukewarmwater on Dec 4, 2007 5:22:32 GMT -5
A Triumph will look a bit meager with a 10-panel since it is such a big machine and was intended to have an 11-panel cygnet originally. That one panel additional makes a big difference -- literally. Although that is a good price for a clean 10-panel, and the wooden horn is more expensive, I'd opt for the Gfell horn if it was my choice. David Teti can match the finishes exactly and make the horn look like it is 100 years old (in a good way!) There are few things more impressive and beautiful than a Triumph with a wooden cygnet horn! Luke W.
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Post by ultona on Dec 4, 2007 8:49:53 GMT -5
Yup, I'm leaning towards the oak horn. I'll make my mind up after tax time is over and heating damages (oil bills) have been paid up until April. Once Wayne time draws closer I can make arrangements with Don to get one...I hope! BTW, the Triumph is basically going to be my only cylinder machine after all is said and done. My homes, standards and amberolas are all going on the auction block once this Triumph is done and playing. I don't dislike any of my cylinder machines, but I've decided this is going to be my only "keeper". Of course a 1A or an Opera would be nice someday... Sean |
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Post by kevan on Dec 7, 2007 4:40:20 GMT -5
I think you should keep a Standard around for everyday use. Triumphs I hear are very hard on bushings.
That's what I hear
kevan
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Post by ultona on Dec 7, 2007 7:38:44 GMT -5
Actually, I'm not sure about the bushing thing. My Triumph "A" has been a workhorse of a machine for the last 20 years. Anybody else think that's true re the bushings? Not doubting you, Kevan, just asking here! Edison cylinder machines have never been my main focus of collecting.
I love my Standard model D, actually. Still my most used cylinder phono, I still think that's gonna change once the D-2 is up and running!
Sean
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Post by maroongem on Dec 7, 2007 13:18:23 GMT -5
Any bearing that has a pivot (Like a clock or watch) or a shaft (like a mandrel shaft on an Edison) will wear if
A) Infrequent lubrication
B) An improperly seated bushing
C) And most common, especially in clocks and watches is that the shaft or pivot is angled in the bearing hole due to either the wheel arbor (as in a clock) not being perfectly upright between the two movement plates. This coupled with the pressure of the mainspring pushing on the time or strike train will cause the arbor(s) that are not perfectly upright, to grind away at the inside of the bearing hole causing it to oval. Eventually, the clock/watch will stop as the wheel teeth and pinions will no longer mesh properly.
I can see where it is possible to have bearing wear on the later machines that no longer utilized the end gate as now you have the belt pulling down on the pulley which would cause the shaft to run at a slight angle inside the bearing. This of course would probably oval the hole over time (how much time, who knows?) and cause eventual binding of the shaft in the bearing hole.
This is all supposition on my part as I've never seen this on an Edison machine (sure, you have those darn swelled potmetal bearings that seize them up solid) but as I've repaired antique clocks and watches for over 25 yrs, I suppose the same principle could be applied as this is most common in older clocks and non jeweled watches.
Bill
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Post by kevan on Dec 7, 2007 21:30:03 GMT -5
Great comments Bill:
and with the Amberola being a direct drive system there should be as little wear as posible. I just bought a standard B with the gate at the end (I was wondering what the gate was for) and it has the Diamond B reprodurer and large horizontal carridge, so I hope to put a cygnet horn on it by spring. If the heating bills don't kill me.
kevan
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Post by lukewarmwater on Dec 7, 2007 22:01:32 GMT -5
Kevan -- Not to pick nits, but the first Amberola -- the I-A -- is belt driven. So are the IV, VI, VIII, and the X. Luke W.
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Post by kevan on Dec 8, 2007 18:51:06 GMT -5
Your right I forgot about them, I was thinking 30 because of the topic
Sorry
Luke
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Post by lukewarmwater on Dec 9, 2007 9:59:32 GMT -5
Your right I forgot about them, I was thinking 30 because of the topic Sorry Luke No need to be sorry . . . you are absolutely correct in the context. Luke W. |
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