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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2007 7:00:46 GMT -5
This past Monday, my father and I, visited some antique shops in southern PA. Hopeing to find some more cylinders for my home phonograph. I managed to find, a small cylinder home phonograph, with two cylinders, but I already have one. I seem to find, blue amberol cylinders, but no ambreol phonograph, or find the home phonograph, but no Gold Moulded Cylinders. The only place I can find Gold Moulded Cylinders is on ebay.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Feb 21, 2007 8:14:32 GMT -5
Paul, Next year will mark 100 years since edison introduced his 4 minute cylinders, and from this time, sales for 2 min records went into decline. By 1912(I think) edison stopped making 2 mins, and remaining stocks were destroyed 1914, when the fire went through the edison works. 4 minute blues were built to last, as mold and breakage wasn't a great problem, and 4 mins were made for a much longer time than there 2 min cousins, so thats probably what we'll be finding most of now days. Theres always a risk when you buy anything sight unseem, like on ebay etc. You could end up getting moldy cylinders or they could get damaged in transit, if packed and sent by people who dont know how to pack them properly. I think you'd probably be better off putting an ad here in the "Swap shop" section, or on the other board in the "Swap, sell etc" section. That way you should end up with cylinders in good playable condition, and people who know how to pack them properly. Chances are they wont cost you anymore than they would in a shop too. Of course, keep looking in the shops- they do still turn up in good condition. And like I've said before, dont leave the blues behind, if you can afford them, because eventually you'll get a 4 minute machine to play them. When you find the machines, always look at them closely, to see if they have 2/4 min gearing to play both types of records. Heres a couple pictures of my model B home. The first shows the 2min/4 min switch next to the half nut which drives the carry arm across the record. Other model use different types of switches, like the standard which has a knob at the side of the gear cover, that just pulls in & out to change gears. Another sign of 2/4 gearing is a different carry arm, like in the second picture. This one shows the larger flat carry arm, with the bigger diamond B reproducer, which can only be used for celluloid cylinders. Not all 2/4 min machines will have this kind of carry arm, but if it does, its more than likely a 2/4 machine. BTW: Did you look into getting a few Wizard cylinders? I know they're not as cheap as originals, but they are great. I bought some Electrophone cylinders about 20 yrs ago, which were basically the same as wizards, but are no longer available. I think the 2 guys that made electrophones went their seperate ways, and one of them started making the wizards. I noticed one on ebay a few weeks ago, and they are now selling for more than I payed for them, so the wizards too, could very well become the collectables of tomorrow!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2007 9:07:23 GMT -5
Thanks, Shane. I looked at my machine, and I'm pretty sure, mine only plays 2 minute cylinders. Since mine does not have the switch like your's, plus the carry arm that the reproducer sits in is different. Mine was designed, for a Model "C" Reporducer. Although, my machine looks, like it could be converted to play 4 minute cylinders. However, I'll just keep it to play 2 minute ones, and look for a 4 minute machine.
Actually I have not looked at the Wizzard's since I don't have link, but I'll just do a Google search for them.
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Post by maroongem on Feb 21, 2007 11:31:27 GMT -5
Paul,
Didn't I send you pix a while back of a 2/4 min HOME that I had for sale?
Bill
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2007 15:42:59 GMT -5
Yes you did, Bill.
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Post by gramophoneshane on Feb 23, 2007 20:14:02 GMT -5
Paul, If you send an email to Peter Dilg at verticalcut@earthlink.net, and ask for a list of wizard 2 minute cylinders, he'll send a list back to you. I dont think he has a web site, as I couldn't find one doing a search.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2007 20:45:32 GMT -5
Thanks Shane.
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Post by maroongem on Feb 24, 2007 9:14:56 GMT -5
Paul,
I have a list of 2 min cylinders for sale if you are interested. They came in a suitcase for cylinders, so they have no box. They are however, mold free. If interested, contact me off list.
Bill
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2007 10:59:56 GMT -5
Thanks Bill, I sliped you and email.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2007 21:01:25 GMT -5
Shane, I just got an email back from Peter, with a list of cylinder records. He told me to make a second choice, in case my frist choice is out of stock. Thank you, for the recamendation.
Paul
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2007 17:43:48 GMT -5
Well, I hit some more antique stores today, and found quite a few Gold Moulded Cylinders. Sadly, I did not buy a single one. Every time I found one, it was moldy. I would get excited when i would find one, until I saw the cylinder, and the excitement quickly wore off.
Of course none of the dealers had any idea what they had, nor were the record dealers.
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Post by steve on Mar 15, 2007 21:39:16 GMT -5
In Sept 1912 the last 2 minute titles were made, but 2 minute cylinders were made and sold into 1914. Some of the later 2 minute records are made of the wax amberol wax, you can tell these by the mould line at the bottom that looks like the wax amberol record. These records are normally cracked and unless they are fairly new in condition they have a lot more surface noise.
Peter's records sound best with a Diamond B, they are so well recorded that it takes a Diamond B for them to deliver their full potential. Edison's last two minutes are also extremely well recorded.
Steve
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Post by gramophoneshane on Mar 15, 2007 22:19:24 GMT -5
So...You can play the wizards with a diamond stylus. I was wondering about that, but didn't try incase I ruined one. I'll have to give it a go. I don't think I'll try my old Electrophones though- they seem to be made of a much softer material.
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Post by steve on Mar 16, 2007 10:55:28 GMT -5
Peter recommended using a diamond B, he said they would last forever. The reason is this, the more material in a recording on an Edison DD or cylinder the better it sounds with a heavier weight. This is true with the Edisonic vs the regular reproducer and also the larger diaphragm makes a big difference. If you play the Wizard with a model C, a model O, and a diamond B the diamond B sounds the best. My US phono Co of Cleveland 2 minute cylinder Waiting for the Robert E Lee is louder than my C-250 when the cylinder is played with my diamond B and the DD reproducer is a regular one that I have not tuned.
Steve
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2007 14:21:40 GMT -5
I played mine, with a saphire stylus, and it sounds alright.
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