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Post by cdbpdx on Feb 5, 2013 18:50:57 GMT -5
Greetings. New to Edison cylinder players. Have an opportunity to acquire what seem to be a very nice Standard, but I really don't know much about them. Does this model play 2 min & 4 min cylinders? Looks like a blue amberol in the picture, does it belong there? Thanks! CDB Attachments:
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Post by maroongem on Feb 5, 2013 19:20:37 GMT -5
It has the large carriage and Mod. B diamond Reproducer for 4M play and may be a Standard Mod. D that was a 2/4M machine, but from the one photo it's tough to tell if it is a D or a later machine.
BillF
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Post by phonogfp on Feb 5, 2013 19:34:12 GMT -5
Bill's right - it's tough to tell which mechanism is in place. To my old eyes it might even be a Model C mechanism, which is 2-minute only. Chances are it's a D or later, like Bill said.
Note that the horn is actually a Victor horn, repainted and with a smaller cone fastened to the end. The "Edison" decal doesn't belong there either.
Note also that although the cabinet is probably original to the mechanism (high base molding), it's light colored (it's been stripped and refinished) and an incorrect decal has been applied to the cabinet's front panel (This cabinet should have the "Edison" decal that has been incorrectly applied to the horn!)
Unless this machine is quite cheap, I'd wait for a better example.
George P.
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Post by cdbpdx on Feb 5, 2013 19:35:45 GMT -5
Here is the only other photo provided with the ad for the machine. Thanks! CDB Attachments:
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Post by cdbpdx on Feb 5, 2013 19:56:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies. Gonna pass on this one. Going to the "SOUNDS OF NOSTALGIA" show in Salem this Sunday at the Fairgrounds. Probably find something there. CDB
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Post by nefaurora on Feb 5, 2013 23:49:09 GMT -5
Looks like a 1904-1905 Model B Standard from the close-up looks of the 2nd pic... Tony K.
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Post by nefaurora on Feb 5, 2013 23:54:14 GMT -5
PS: It looks to be a two minute machine. I can't see any 2/4 minute coversions on it from the pic. The horn and the nice crane are definitely a plus.. Something weird about the Horn though.. It looks similar to an original Edison Horn, but not original, but of the period...but that "Edison" on the side of the horn looks like it was put there. The horn looks funky.. The crane is "right on" though.
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Post by nefaurora on Feb 5, 2013 23:56:36 GMT -5
PPS: Check the Model type of the reproducer... It will give you a clue.. Model "C" two minute, Model "H" - Four minute... though on a converted machine, You can swap them and toggle the switch from 2 ro 4...
Tony K.
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Post by phonogfp on Feb 6, 2013 9:19:22 GMT -5
Looks like a 1904-1905 Model B Standard from the close-up looks of the 2nd pic... Tony K. There's no endgate, making it a Model C or later. Cabinet has high base molding, making it 1908 or later. George P. |
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Post by phonogfp on Feb 6, 2013 9:21:56 GMT -5
PPS: Check the Model type of the reproducer... It will give you a clue.. Model "C" two minute, Model "H" - Four minute... though on a converted machine, You can swap them and toggle the switch from 2 ro 4... Tony K. The reproducer is a Diamond B. The horn was identified in an earlier post. George P. |
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Post by nefaurora on Feb 6, 2013 13:22:54 GMT -5
Ahh Yes! It is a diamond B... so that would be setup for 4 minute... Nice catch George, I missed that one in the photograph... I'll have took look closer next time!
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Post by nefaurora on Feb 6, 2013 13:29:26 GMT -5
Yes, You are right on the Endgate too... It is a model C or later.... That front Banner Decal on the machine is incorrect as the machine is after 1905...Someone just put it there.. It should be just the "Edison" decal on the front... The only exception would be if someone took the Upper works from a later machine and put it into an earlier cabinet...which might be the case here...but the decal looks too "new" though...
Tony K.
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Post by maroongem on Feb 6, 2013 16:27:19 GMT -5
You can see the push/pull knob for the gear change on the left thanks to the gear cover being absent. This is not the later combination add-on to make a 2M machine play 4 as well. You can also see the oil port for the bearing on the stanchion next to the mandrel which also indicates a D. Where it has the front mount crane as well, I'm thinking someone updated the carriage arm to accept the Diamond B but never bothered with a cygnet set up or, could just be thrown together to sell.
Def. not a Mod. C cabinet with the extra molding.
BillF
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Post by phonogfp on Feb 6, 2013 17:33:21 GMT -5
Def. not a Mod. C cabinet with the extra molding. BillF Actually I had a Standard Model C back in 1973 (came out of a house) that had the high molding. It had an ICS repeater on it, and was late production. George P. |
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Post by maroongem on Feb 7, 2013 4:48:37 GMT -5
Def. not a Mod. C cabinet with the extra molding. BillF Actually I had a Standard Model C back in 1973 (came out of a house) that had the high molding. It had an ICS repeater on it, and was late production. George P. Moral: Never say never with Edison. The old style cabinets must have been used up, and of course the ICS program was still going on so it would only make sense. BillF |
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