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Post by shellophone on Jun 28, 2009 19:31:14 GMT -5
According to Bill Edie's website, the 'Credenza' designation was first (1925) in a model intended to be sold to the public. The 8-30 designation came in mid-1926. There were 75 'demonstrator' models called 8-1 distributed to dealers about 2 months before the initial release of the 'Credenza'. www.victor-victrola.comJohn M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 27, 2009 17:29:32 GMT -5
Edison Disc Artists and Records 1910-1929 by Ron Dethlefson shows nine variations on production etched-label ('electrotype') Diamond Discs before the black paper labels were introduced in June 1921 (and used through October 1922, when labels became white paper). There were also several prototypical electrotype variations that were not commercially released. You should pick up a copy of this book when you find one -- excellent reference (as are all of Ron's books). It would be difficult to repeat all the variations of these labels in the scope of this discussion board without infringing on Ron's copyrights, but in a nutshell, the 'shield' variations were used from inception in 1912 through late 1918. 'Beakers & retort' electrotype labels used through early 1921. 'Edison'-only electrotype label with no shields or beakers from early 1921 until June 1921, when the black paper label was introduced.
Dethlefson also shows about nine variations of the white paper label!
John M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 27, 2009 17:11:37 GMT -5
Well, it is a 'Standard', but that toggle switch in the left front corner of the bedplate does not bode well for authenticity! Do you have a photo that shows a crank hole on the side?
I've seen electric motors jerry-rigged into Amberola 30's, too, and not done when the machine was new or even remotely new. The 'Triumph' Terry Baer picked up at Union looked like the modification was at least done when the cylinder format was still viable.
John M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 27, 2009 10:02:35 GMT -5
GS, Not that I'm aware of.
I wonder if one could jack around a 'Business' machine and substitute a 'Standard' carriage? The thread pitch would be incorrect without some major modifications.
John M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 27, 2009 5:10:23 GMT -5
Because you did not capitalize the first letter of proper names, i.e.. Standard, Home, Triumph, I was confused. You DID capitalize "Columbia Grafonola De Luxe Model 240 'Lion's Head'" -- no confusion there, I know what that is! One with the music box sold out of a farmhouse near here just a few months ago for $300! No, I didn't get it.
Back to your electric machine, one thing I have learned in this hobby is to never say "never". I've never (there's that word again already) seen an electric Standard but I'm anxious to see your photos. There was a Triumph that Terry Baer bought at the church sale at Union that was rigged up with an electric motor and even a light on a post on the bedplate. Whoever did the modification did a very professional job of it. Perhaps you have something like that?
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Post by shellophone on Jun 26, 2009 22:32:07 GMT -5
Whittington, It is a bit confusing when you say it looks like a "standard" model Edison, because one of Edison's models was called the 'Standard'! There is no "standard" model Edison in reality -- each model and iteration of that model is uniquely different. Perhaps to the untrained eye, they look the same, but to experienced collectors that is certainly not the case. The 'Alva' as GS said, is essentially a 'Triumph', but fitted with an 110VAC Edison 'Ekonowatt' motor rather than a 'Triton' spring motor. There is no crank hole on the side of the cabinet. The 'Alva' is very scarce. Value currently between $4-6K depending on condition and iteration. Please post photos! To post photos or images, size the images no more than 500 pixels wide with a resolution of 72dpi in whatever image processing program you use (i.e., Photoshop) and save them in a file. Next, go to www.imageshack.com (you can also use other upload sites such as Photobucket, but I usually use ImageShack). Click on 'Browse' and find the files you saved, select one, and click 'Open'. That file will appear in the box. Now click 'Start Upload'. Electrons will begin to whirr, and in a few seconds, the page will refresh and will consists of a list of image links for various applications. About halfway down the page on the left you will see a box that says 'Include Details' -- un-check that box. This will shorten all the links on the page. Go to the section marked 'Hotlinks for Forums'. Select either link (1) or (2), copy, and paste the image link into the message box on the discussion board. The link you pasted in will show up as an image when the message is submitted. Repeat the process for each image. You can type in captions by typing between the pasted-in links. I always separate each image link with at least one blank line between them. It is not as complicated as it may sound. I just keep ImageShack open in one window and the message board open on another and work between the two. Here's a photo of one of my Amberola V's . . . it took me way less than 30 seconds to add this image to this post: John M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 21, 2009 22:48:12 GMT -5
To post pictures, size the images no more than 500 pixels wide with a resolution of 72dpi in whatever image processing program you use (i.e., Photoshop) and save them in a file. Next, go to www.imageshack.com (you can also use other upload sites such as Photobucket, but I usually use ImageShack). Click on ' Browse' and find the files you saved, select one, and click ' Open'. That file will appear in the box. Now click ' Start Upload'. Electrons will begin to whirr, and in a few seconds, the page will refresh and will consists of a list of image links for various applications. About halfway down the page on the left you will see a box that says 'Include Details' -- un-check that box. This will shorten all the links on the page. Go to the section marked 'Hotlinks for Forums'. Select either link (1) or (2), copy, and paste the image link into the message box on the discussion board. The link you pasted in will show up as an image when the message is submitted. Repeat the process for each image. You can type in captions by typing between the pasted-in links. I always separate each image link with at least one blank line between them. It is not as complicated as it may sound. I just keep ImageShack open in one window and the message board open on another and work between the two. Here's a photo of one of my Amberola V's . . . it took me way less than 30 seconds to add this image to this post: John M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 21, 2009 20:03:33 GMT -5
I didn't know you rebuild DD reproducers, Bill! Good to know.
John M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 21, 2009 15:03:11 GMT -5
Congratulations on your C-19! A couple of things: The paper labels on Edison Diamond Disc records are notorious for the label edges lifting. Likewise, the edges of the C-19's red leatherette trim on the dividers in the record compartment also lift. The lifting trim can snag the lifting label edges and shear the labels in two. Be careful when withdrawing the records! Also, Wyatt Markus (aka, 'Volvoic, the Phono Guy') does an excellent job rebuilding Diamond Disc reproducers so they play and sound as new (maybe better?). His website is: www.edisondiamonddisc.comJohn M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 17, 2009 20:44:52 GMT -5
Try flipping the belt over so the smooth side is up. Also, make sure all pivot points and gear teeth are clean and lubricated properly.
Very important!!! Send your reproducer to:
Steve Medved (407) 348-0152 steve_noreen@msn.com 2505 Hikers Court Kissimmee FL 34743-3601
He will rebuild it FREE for just the cost of parts (usually 50 cents for a pair of gaskets) + return shipping. No charge for labor! Rotate the stylus, polish the diaphragm -- everything!
VERY nice Standard! Congratulations!
John M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 2, 2009 20:08:37 GMT -5
LOL! Yes, you are in grave danger on that site! LOL!
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Post by shellophone on Jun 2, 2009 14:42:15 GMT -5
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Post by shellophone on Jun 2, 2009 12:03:57 GMT -5
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Post by shellophone on Jun 2, 2009 3:29:30 GMT -5
Edison's big distraction in 1879 was the work he did on the Electric Lamp and the infrastructure related to its exploitation. Edison doing this work under contract to J.P. Morgan who asked Edison to develop a system of power generation/distribution/illumination that could be metered and sold. Morgan underwrote Edison's work on the project. The incandescent lamp, etc. was not invented out of the kindness of one's heart for the benefit of all mankind, etc. as Edison's propaganda relentlessly allowed! John M
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Post by shellophone on Jun 1, 2009 18:55:35 GMT -5
This is somewhat of an enigma machine -- the only known example of a nickel-plated (not gun-metal) Amberola I-A mechanism . . . adapted for external horn use (would accept an Opera horn). The provenance of the adapter is unknown, but it is not recent. Wyatt Marcus and I have examined this mechanism thoroughly and it exhibits manufacturing characteristics of both the I-A and the Opera. Could there have been an undocumented transitional mech between the intro of the I-A and the Opera? I suspect these may have been factory built in order to use up parts. I have seen five of these hybrid I-A/Operas over the years. Comes with Model M reproducer completely restored by Steve Medved. Mandrel finish in excellent condition. Does not have a proper case, but I do have a very rough mahogany Opera case that it sits in (until a proper case came along) that I will sell for an extra $200 (it does have the copper-oxidized finish side handles and service prop). No crank, but will accept any male Amberola or DD crank thread. $2000 for mech and M reproducer. $2200 with rough Opera case. PM me for further details. Delivery to Union no problem. John M 502-410-9269
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