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Post by neophone on Oct 4, 2008 1:56:28 GMT -5
Folks, I got a new toy today a cute little VV-210: Even with one governor weight missing she kept proper speed and ran with a slight steady thrum. 'Got the manual and the most of the hardware from another VV-210. I think this is a hybrid made up out of two 210s. The motorboard, backboard and horn louvers are a different finish than the rest of the cabinet, and the two forward screw holes in the backboard don't line up with the metal support underneath. I've already done a basic cleaning of the outside of the motor and replaced the governor springs and weights. I started cleaning the cabinet with something called Permatex, it's not as good as GoJo. I've switched back to the GoJo and 0000 steel wool. I plan on trying the Howards on this little girl. More photos very soon. Regards, J. |
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Post by matty on Oct 4, 2008 3:07:43 GMT -5
Very nice John. It is a cutie.
I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product.
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Post by larryh on Oct 4, 2008 8:22:59 GMT -5
Hi John,
Yes it is a cute little victor. You must be learning how to do more work on these! I am finally putting the Amberola 30 I got last summer early back together and received a drive gear for my small edison console so plenty to play with on this end too..
Larry
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Post by maroongem on Oct 4, 2008 13:10:00 GMT -5
John, Those VV-210s are underrated machines and sound pretty good. BTW, having been at your home, where did you cram that baby?  Bill |
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Post by neophone on Oct 4, 2008 16:44:15 GMT -5
Thanks Gents! Bill, Heh Heh Heh! Right now she's in the kitchen in front of the china cabinet sitting next to Ole Chippy who's still mid restoration. Got the under veneer glued down on the C-19's lid, but it has small buckle I have to remedy before applying the new top veneer. The crank is going to have to be spray painted me thinks, like Florida Bill's. Right now actually I've got bits and pieces all over the place.  Good thing I live alone! Not quite sure where she'll end up when she's done.... The governor springs were free-got them off of the Ethel Waters VV-X. ;D It's the same motor except for the cap on the spring barrel. Today more cabinet cleaning and re-felting the platter. Then I've got to figure out how the record divider was attached inside the record storage compartment. I'm flummoxed by that one right now. I figure I'm going to stop work on the other machines and concentrate on this one. Make my mistakes on this cheaper model rather than my other machines. The 210 does have a great sound. It's nice and loud, but a bit mote mellow than the VV-X I think. Regards, J. |
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ultona
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Post by ultona on Oct 6, 2008 10:36:30 GMT -5
Nice 210, John!
As you've heard, I have a 210 on my (enclosed) front porch. It's a great little machine and it sounds fantastic. I like sitting out on the porch on a nice summer night with a stack of Kreisler acoustics and a good cocktail to go along with it. ;D
All kidding aside, you'll love it!
My 210 is missing the record rack. I'd like to find one for mine one day, but I think they were held in place by two slotted pieces, not unlike the record slots on a DD machine were held in. I know my early XIV has a rack in it held in by two similar pieces.
Sean
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Post by wmbuchanan on Oct 6, 2008 18:27:07 GMT -5
John,
It looks great!
I can't wait to see this when your done.
Will you also post a mp3 I would like to hear how it sounds.
Bill
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Post by neophone on Oct 7, 2008 2:25:40 GMT -5
Bill, Thanks, she's coming along fine. A couple of minor setbacks. I have to re-paint the tone arm bracket, the paint started to come right off when I cleaned it. I chewed up the screw head of the Taper Tube pin as well.  It was frozen GRRRR!. The back bracket isn't cast iron or potmetal, it's stamped steel I think. so now I get to try pin-striping. The door knobs were really gunked up with something and I think the finish was gone one underneath. After a soak in ammonia they have a yellowish cast to them. The screw holes for the motorboard and the angle iron that supports it don't match up as well as the back dash. I don't know if I should drill them out or not? I had a couple of minor veneer lift in two spots. the dash and one tone-door. The dash is all set, the door is setting up tonight. I was going to try re-amalgamating the finish on this machine, but it wasn't as bad as I thought. I think I'll leave it as is. I think it's actually walnut BTW. I took all sort of photos, I'll be posting some within the week and talking a bit about what I've learned in the "How-To" section I think. I haven't tackled the Sound-Box yet, i'll need to get some №. 2 gasket material and a new isolator for it. I'm an Isolator fanatic. ;D I'll post an audio clip of some kind I think.... ;D Regards, J. |
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Post by maroongem on Oct 7, 2008 10:49:40 GMT -5
John,
I'll be attending Wayne this coming weekend. I'm sure Ron Sitko will be there, so I can pick up the 2 red gaskets and a new isolator for you if you wish.
Bill
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Post by neophone on Oct 7, 2008 19:04:21 GMT -5
John, I'll be attending Wayne this coming weekend. I'm sure Ron Sitko will be there, so I can pick up the 2 red gaskets and a new isolator for you if you wish. Bill Bill, Thank you, That'd be great. Hope you have a great time there!!!! ;D Regards, J. |
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Post by neophone on Oct 8, 2008 1:40:11 GMT -5
Gents, Here's a couple of shots mid-job: Regards, J. |
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Post by ultona on Oct 8, 2008 11:24:35 GMT -5
John,
Looks like everything is coming along nicely!
Sean
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Post by henry on Oct 8, 2008 13:06:45 GMT -5
Hi John,
From your latest set of pix, I now see what you mean about your 210 being a hybrid of two machines (with different veneers/finishes); looks like a mahogany motor board and a walnut (?) cabinet. I wonder if this could possibly be a factory combination of parts on hand? Or did the original motor crap out and get replaced at some point in its history? Guess we'll never know, but in truth it's not going to affect the sound quality, and it's not all that apparent to the eye. In any event, it'll be a conversation piece! I'm impressed by the size of the horn---much larger than my XI! I'm sure you're going to enjoy it once you rebuild the sound box. Congratulations!
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Post by neophone on Oct 8, 2008 17:16:12 GMT -5
Henry,
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a "factory job", the screw holes for the motorboard and the back dash don't match up with the screw holes in the support underneath. I'm going to have to drill new holes or do without the screws. Fortunately the crank hole does line up.
Regards,
J.
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Post by pathe on Jan 7, 2009 13:58:50 GMT -5
Hello All
The motor board is the "traditional "red mahogany that we all associate with victrolas
the finish on the cabinet is called English Brown it is still mahogany wood it became popular around 1918 as red went out of style
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Good thing I live alone! Not quite sure where she'll end up when she's done....
It was frozen GRRRR!. The back bracket isn't cast iron or potmetal, it's stamped steel I think. so now I get to try pin-striping. 
