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Post by steve on May 14, 2007 19:20:38 GMT -5
Finnish: 59305-59306 Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078 60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical matrix. German: 57025-57034 52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series 80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series 82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series. Electrically dubbed Blue Amberols did not begin until 5650 and even after that electrical dubs were sporadic until 5700 after which all dubs were electric.
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Post by steve on Dec 20, 2007 12:43:10 GMT -5
If a record remained popular it can be found in all the labels, for example I have record 50100 in the early celluloid and on a white label.
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Post by steve on Jan 13, 2007 18:46:16 GMT -5
Paul,
Happy to help, and Shane I do play old songs when I drive my car.
Steve
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Post by steve on Dec 20, 2006 22:37:31 GMT -5
Hi Paul,
I have Charles Gregory's book and am sending you a scan of the page that label is on.
Steve
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Post by steve on Dec 20, 2006 22:24:08 GMT -5
The white paper labels are good and from 51500 on they are really good. To grade a DD you need to look at the grooves with a strong light, the sound is on the bottom and a record with shiny shoulders can have worn grooves. If you see gray or brown on the bottom of the grooves the material underneath the condensite is showing. Be careful not to play damaged records and make sure your stylus is good.
The etched labels made during the war have a lot of surface noise, the white paper labels are much better.
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Post by steve on Dec 20, 2006 22:18:39 GMT -5
Edison Electric Recorded Diamond Discs
Question: Has there been much written or research done on the actual electric process used for Diamond Discs? I have a few 52000 series Diamond Discs and I've noticed that some have a much louder, more immediate sound than others even though they are all electrically recorded i.e. post 52088. When played back electrically they still have a characteristic that sounds like they were recorded through a horn of some type; almost like the sound was focused using an acoustic recording setup, but connected to some sort of electrical transducer at the other end;(i.e. the characteristic of the horn still seems to be there - not sounding like other electric process records using a microphone as in the WE process. For example, I have one record, “That Wonderful Night and You” by Jack Stillman's Orchestra (52258) that sounds awesome when played with an Edisonic reproducer. Another record, Persian Rug by the McAlpineers (52239) while still good and loud, does not have the same sound quality of the later disc.
Ron D: The first 88 records in the 52000 series are acoustic recordings. Yes, you are correct that studio acoustics were not set up for electric recording. Edison was still using his old studios at 79 5th Ave. in NYC that had first been opened in 1906. Edison's new electrical recording studios didn't open until late January 1929. Even before that time, Edison had carried his in-house electrical recording system to its limit and in mid-1928 the Edison Company purchased four RCA recording lathes. You can notice a clear improvement in electric Edison Diamond Discs made with the RCA equipment beginning about catalog number 52250. Edison recorded both electric and acoustic masters beginning in June 1927. For some months prior to June, the acoustic process had been pushed to the limit to compete with Orthophonic and Viva-Tonal records. Listen to Diamond Discs in the 51900 range of catalog numbers and you will hear some remarkable recordings. And, as you have mentioned, the early 52000 series are excellent examples of what the acoustic process could yield in its last days. To the best of my knowledge and that of Ray Wile, we know of no discs in the first 88 records in the 52000 series that were electric releases. For a few months the acoustic process was still better than Edison's electrical process. However, in August 1927 Edison's engineers were able to make acceptable electric masters and acoustic recording ceased.
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Post by steve on Dec 20, 2006 22:14:32 GMT -5
Here are the numbers of the electrically recorded DD's.
Finnish: 59305-59306 Spanish/Cuban: 60063-60078 60063 is the earliest, released DD electrical matrix. German: 57025-57034 52089 to 52651 for the 50,000 series 80885 to 80907 for the 80,000 series 82351 to 82360 for the 82,000 series Please remember that the 82500 series was not part of the 82000 series.
Blue Amberol 5605 is not "Electric-made" It is an acoustic dub of an electric Diamond Disc Electrically dubbed Blue Amberols did not begin until 5650 and even after that electrical dubs were sporadic until 5700 after which all dubs were electric.
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Post by steve on Dec 20, 2006 22:02:59 GMT -5
Hi Matt,
Thanks for the photo of the albums, have you ever seen any of the later ones that went in the C-2?
Thanks,
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Post by steve on Dec 8, 2006 12:32:54 GMT -5
Hi Shane,
Edison offered a square wooden insert box that fit on the bottom shelf of the A-100 and was held down by four screws, I have a copy of a photo of a brochure and photos of the actual items, now so do you. In the photo of the A-150 in the Frow book the six albums just stand there and the top wood that goes between the legs appear to have been able to stop them from tipping over.
Steve
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Post by steve on Dec 6, 2006 22:37:17 GMT -5
Hi Gentlemen,
The A-100 had them for an extra charge, the A-150, and the C-2 came with albums. Unfortunately I have never met any albums in person. I have only seen them on eBay twice filled with early records and I think the two auctions went for between $25 and $35 and the albums were a darker in color.
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Post by steve on Dec 5, 2006 14:39:09 GMT -5
A lot of people have reproducers that need rebuilt so no matter what they play it sounds terrible. 1912 was the first DD phono so the person is obviously phonograph challenged. To accurately grade a DD you need to use a very bright light and look at the bottom of the grooves, in most cases the label will agree with the record condition.
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Post by steve on Dec 1, 2006 0:37:10 GMT -5
I was thinking to ask him what Victrola he played it on.
If you want to talk eBay Morons there was a guy on eBay that had a Gem with a pink Lambert on it in his ad he said he thought the pink thing did not belong with it and when I wrote him and told him it was a record he said he had thrown the other records away, I wrote back an told him I hoped the others were not pink because the could sell for around $500 each he never replied.
The guy I wrote and told his two Golden & Hughes coon records were not worth $1500 was nice, an antique dealer game him the appraisal. Now I normally do not bother to write.
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Post by steve on Nov 4, 2006 19:23:45 GMT -5
1 The all black paper label. some were brown, 2 re-creation without price, 3 re-creation with price, 4 record, 5 record with price dropped, 6 record with Made in USA at bottom.
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Post by steve on Dec 2, 2007 18:33:01 GMT -5
The spring barrels are very easy to remove two screws on the two barrel ones and four on the single barrel and the boards are universal. Just make a note of how the spring was wound in. Except for motor removal Edison is easier than Victor, especially the early ones that have the pressed in pin on the shaft.
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Post by steve on Dec 2, 2007 17:35:56 GMT -5
I wonder if the legs broke or they removed them.
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