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Post by maroongem on Feb 17, 2013 9:07:04 GMT -5
Bill, My understanding is that the core was plaster-of-Paris and gypsum with Asbestos not being one of the ingredients. Others claim that it is. To be on the safe side, it would probably be prudent to ream cylinders outside and wear a mask. Asbestos is absorbed through the respiratory tract and not the skin. Still, I would advise a good hand washing afterward.
BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 16, 2013 9:31:45 GMT -5
LOL.........I'll get the info on the above machine I posted and also, our President of MOCAPS owns one and is going to send me photos of his machine. In for a penny, in for a pound............
BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 12, 2013 19:40:24 GMT -5
Hi LeO and welcome to the board! You have a Home Mod. A and George P will date it for you by the serial number. I see it has a Mod. H Reproducer which was for 4M play but yours is 2M from what is shown. It originally came with a witches hat horn but there were aftermarket cranes and horns offered.
The bed plate was 2 piece and I've seen both felt and rubber grommets used to lessen vibration.
You show a slotted crank in one of the photos. It doesn't work properly?
Other parts that you mention can be found from the various sources in the web sources for parts/repairs section on this forum.
BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 12, 2013 17:20:47 GMT -5
Guys - your observations on seeing these types of cranks on other models underline the need to document them as well. I know I've seen a few on Home machines. The fun of Edison watching is always being surprised by the variations. BTW - I'll need your email addresses for the excel sheets as I can't attach files on this forum's PMs. Regards, Martin Martin, That's a good idea. I received one reply regarding flat vs cast. This machine is a Mod. A but was later converted to a Cygnet horn set-up. Here are the crank photos. If you are going to make a spread sheet, I'll ask for the serial number. BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 11, 2013 16:12:38 GMT -5
As I mentioned earlier, the non-pumice Go-Jo does a very nice job on the bedplate, especially removing all the old grease that has built up over time under the feedscrew and gear train plus puts a nice shine on the surface. I wouldn't worry too much about the small chip. You can try and fill it with black enamel but it will take several coats to be even with the original surface.
The original rubber feet have petrified by this time so you will have to replace them with newly made ones. I have some if you are interested.
The horn is a matter of personal choice. Where you already have a partial set-up for a Cygnet horn, that is what I would personally choose. The sound is better and it takes up less room as the Cygnet goes upward rather than outward. An original can be expensive but the repros are every bit as nice and you plan on enjoying it so it is up to you.
BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 10, 2013 11:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by maroongem on Feb 10, 2013 9:25:41 GMT -5
Conversely, I bought a Fireside A with 60+ mixed type cylinders from the original family back in the 80s and it had the flat type crank found on Standards and Homes. I did take Polaroids (yes, Polaroids) of it and I'll have to look and see if I still have them. The machine is long gone, unfortunately. I did a Google search last evening of Firesides, and the ones that show a good shot of the crank seem to show a mix of both style cranks. Two of my fellow members of MOCAPS own Firesides, one I know is a Mod. B and the other is an A (I think). I requested photos of the cranks on both machines. Was it once again using up old stock before switching over? We'll probably never know.
BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 9, 2013 15:10:12 GMT -5
Here are a few photos of a crank off a Standard B. It was also used on the Home as well. As you can see, the section with the knob is flat and protrudes past the winding arbor. The one on your machine is finished much nicer and appears to be cast in one piece, whereas the Edison crank was 2 pieces joined at the angle by a flush rivet. The Diamond Mod. B does offer a better sound than the sapphire on a BA IMHO, especially when coupled with a large horn. And yes, The horn for the Standard in 1908 was typically a black 10 panel horn from the factory although a 10 panel cygnet with crane would really be the ultimate sound with a Diamond B on that machine!
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Post by maroongem on Feb 9, 2013 9:35:57 GMT -5
They may have used a floor crane or one that clamped onto the machine w/o screws, but it's quite possible that this was put together at a later time, long after the original owner. The crank is not the correct one for your machine. Possibly a Columbia crank?
Get yourself a can of non-pumice Go-Jo hand cleaner. You can clean the cabinet and the bed plate and you will be amazed by the results.
The wood is oak but the finish has darkened with age/smoke and grime.
You can wind the spring until you feel stiff resistance. It would be hard to truly over-wind the machine.
BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 9, 2013 8:39:25 GMT -5
You may also consider a Diamond B Reproducer which will play Blue Amberols and other celluloid cylinders. This will drop right into your horizontal carriage. These are considerably cheaper than a Mod. O, the only downside is buying one where the condition of the diamond is unknown. You would best be served if you could purchase one that has been rebuilt with new gaskets and the diamond tested. These can't be used on wax cylinders as they will ruin them in a NY minute. You might want to get yourself a complete Mod. C, as getting what you need may cost more than one that is good to go. If Ron doesn't have all the items that you need, there are other suppliers that stock original parts. Wyatt's www.wyattsmusical.com/George Vollema www.victroladoctor.com/BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 7, 2013 19:11:49 GMT -5
Bernt,
It is a very strong spring and I wouldn't suggest removing it in that manner. You should be able to unhook the arbor from the main spring with a little effort and then proceed to carefully remove the main spring from the barrel. I would suggest wearing heavy gloves and eye protection and perhaps do this inside a bucket or barrel in the event that the spring gets away from you.
BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 7, 2013 18:50:31 GMT -5
Jerry, Here are some photos of the compression ring tool I made at least 20 years ago and it has served me well! The side with the wing nut is adjustable for width and the pins have flats on both sides to fit in the slots on the DD rings as well as the later cylinder Reproducer rings that had the slots. It also works well on Columbia disc Sound boxes. BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 7, 2013 15:59:34 GMT -5
It is an electrically recorded DD. Both were recorded Nov 1 1927 and coupled Nov 14 1927 and were probably released later that month or early December. 52139-R Old Town Pump by Harry Reeser, banjo & orchestra 52139-L Clock And The Banjo by Harry Reeser, banjo & piano
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Post by maroongem on Feb 7, 2013 4:48:37 GMT -5
Def. not a Mod. C cabinet with the extra molding. BillF Actually I had a Standard Model C back in 1973 (came out of a house) that had the high molding. It had an ICS repeater on it, and was late production. George P. Moral: Never say never with Edison. The old style cabinets must have been used up, and of course the ICS program was still going on so it would only make sense. BillF
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Post by maroongem on Feb 7, 2013 4:40:20 GMT -5
Bernt,
That is the right bar for the typical 2M doorknob stylus. And that has to be the most bulbous stylus I have ever seen! I wonder if that was a home made one where a glass rod was heated up to where the tip beaded up from the heat.
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